[MOD] Tee-Strike (Page 4 of 8)

I totally agree.
Many times I played tee-strike, and one team would win just because one of the tee's has an XXLCake or Bigmama, and wipes them all out.

If you don't make the buy time longer or give them a force-field, then at lest spread out the tee's, so it isn't so easy to kill them all at once.

The annoying thing is that the players who actually know how to buy will have to wait like forever before they can start to play = no good solution.

I'm still not getting what you think suck about the buy system. Please EXPLAIN and give constructive critisim - how could it be done instead? WHAT is wrong? The current things you tell me is just useless information and doesn't make me wanna develop the mod.

About the invincibility: yeah, might be a good idea. Will try this in 0.1.1.

The weapons should be pickups like any weapon in regular mode.
There should be no "primary" weapon, people should be able to switch as they please. Removing switching = no skill required.
Pistol should regen ammo like in regular, if pistol is stronger, ammo regen should be slower.
Non-pistol weapons would regain ammo with pickups like in regular.
Of course there would be shields and hearts.

==> No more useless menus

Playing with the regular client is useless anyway, because people don't see weapon skins and can't know what is being thrown at them.

Flag snatch = CTF defense + capping. Basically all the gametypes are based on CTF + survival for one team (one attack, one def). Using plain old CTF would be easier.

IMO the only enjoyable parts are the new weapons (they are too similar still). I don't think CS fits TW. A flame thrower as described would be cool.

Oh, and invincibility seems like a genuine Bad Idea(tm).

I like the survivial gametypes - the buy system - the flagsnatch MOD

Also i think its  a bad idea to have so many weapons to pickup...
And without client it would be even more confusing if some 1 swtiches between Mr rabbit and Big Momma (for example) and the ppl cant c that he did something.

I said that before already... for non survivial gametypes a class MOD would be better than pickups (i know, lots of coding and balancing...)

Also having a big Momma at pickup would be stupid (because its annoying to get more heavy from a weapon u dont use).

Pickup would be too confusing with 12 weapons.

That would still be a mod, and I don't think it would destroy plain vanilla which is more balanced, faster paced, etc. Not anymore than instagib or War3 destroyed vanilla.

Somerunce asked for constructive criticism, I did my part and explained why I don't like this mod (and why most players I hang with don't either), now I'm out.

(btw, please try to quote only relevant parts to limit message sizes).

I know how to make the mod more fun.
how about right now [it may be hard for you] but how about ditching the new gametypes "for the moment" and host a "TS CTF" server with the capitals  [of TS [it makes it look better]] and have standered ctf with votings for different maps. that would get people started in the Tee Strike mod an then you could have a pop up that tells you to get the modded client. when we have enough people playing then you announce the new gamtypes one by one.

[and make sure theres only on TS CTF server because having lots would ruin the popularity of specific servers]

howabout that? its kind of like marketing if you think of it close enough

note:[no offense buy this mod is really hard to play for newbies. i probably would have givin up on it if i wasnt active in the forums and heard how the mod functions]
how about changing the names of the weapons to more tee=ish or to the point. like "bouncing grenades" or "sniper" or "laserbounce" or "semiautomatic pistol" that might help. kind of like the RPG mod. it may be frusterating at first but its simple to use "commands like /laser"

and i think [biased opinion] the boost is turning people away from this mod too.

actually the prices dont annoy me that much ^^
The annoying thing that u have to buy ammo even for pistol and its unplayable without the client cuz the buying just take to long in that case even there are prices or not

First of all, I agree with Magnet and Sushi. In addition, I don´t like the fact that you say there are 12 new weapons, they are not new, basically they are just modified standard weapons which only make higher damage. The only really innovative weapon is the rabbit, because its behaviour is completely new (except in the ball mod^^). Things like the sniper may be a good idea but are not really a breakthrough. The big momma is cool but please don´t to gravity changes!! Just make it more expensive or sth. I would like to see new weapons like the flamethrower, just think of games like Bioshock or Half Life. I don´t know if it is possible but some kind of gravity or portal gun would be awesome (if it would fit tee strike at all). Maybe just remove the boring ones like the cheapest shotgun and the cheapest rocket and replace them with new ones. Secondly, I am annoyed by the fact that you can use shield pack only once and that you loose your weapon when you die. The shield pack is nearly half as expensive as the good weapons, but it needs just one hit to make them gone and they dont refresh. My suggestion is that you gain fewer money so that you really have to save your money to be able to buy shields, but therefor they are refreshed after every round. You should also keep your weapon when you die as it takes longer to be able to buy it. That is only what would be good if there is no pickup system.

I think that health/armor pickups in a survivial would destroy everything...

I like the buy system right now but i agree with the ppl who say that there need to be some kind of "buy protection".

Pistole ammo respawning in a survivial would also be stupid... i think the clips are a good idea.
And the weapons dont waste the clips too fast - pistoles do (magnum the most).
But pistoles are not thought to deal the real dmg and in a primary weapon there is a lot of ammo if u dont waste it.

So i think that there are no pickups necessary and im not sure if i like the change ur (maybe) going to make

You probably missed the tutorial that's found at the official Tee-Strike site. Check that out and see if anything improves. :]

- The ammo and shields are expensive so that you can afford your weapon, but have to weight that against having more ammo/armor instead. It's a way to force tactical thinking.
- About ammo regen, we just thought that it would be better to experiment with other ways than just the vanilla way.
- Depends on what you call powerful. The Sharkbait is horrible in the hands of one that can handle it. 9 dmg at most. The peashooter had to be nerfed, it was way too good, and the wookie blaster has bounce, 4 dmg and laser jump. Don't think it's that worthless.

We're aware that the current buy system isn't doing its job as we wanted it too. A better solution is under discussion.

Well, we might have different views on "new", but for me "new" isn't the same as "completely unique". Even though an AK-47 and an M4 are both assault rifles, it doesn't mean that they aren't different weapons.

No gravity changes and a gravity gun? Anyway. The reason we didn't go all wild and added completely new weapons that wouldn't fall into the gl/sg/pistol/laser groups is because we wanted the normal client to be compatible with our mod. Perhaps we should reconsider?

But what you say is "If you die, you shouldn't lose anything, and the only thing you would buy is a new weapon (if you ever grow tired of the old one) and ammo.", and then it's meaningless to even have a buy system at all.

That's why we're talking about moving away from the buy system. The community clearly seems to dislike it or different parts of it.

Cool answers, I'll reply randomly.

1) Allow players to have "one kind" of each, so they can switch even if it's more expensive to have weapons of each and buy ammo for them.
Remove one rifle-like weapon and make it a flame thrower. Don't keep client compatibility because it's a lure, in fact I think people won't play the game much without the client, and won't play it much with the client. You knew from the start this kind of mod will be better once 0.6.x is released (God knows when) and it is an use case that can show some features required in 0.6 for modding (just like Tee Shields).

Look at the "Fire" (previously gCTF) and the "TeeSpace" mod for ideas to change the weapons, I find them far more original even if they are overpowered (especially in the Fire mod).

Make one of the "shotgun-like" weapons a repetition gun with extended ammo (let's say 1 ammo = 2 bullets, 10 ammos) that has automatic fire.

Make another of "the shotgun-like" guns a shock gun (that lasts VERY VERY few time and doesn't stop the tee but just prevent him from jumping/hooking/shooting for like 0.3s, he keeps his momentum though). Long range, long cooldown. Maybe?

The sharkbait is imo a bad idea gameplay wise, it might be fun, but what behavior does it encourage besides  playing pussy, campers and aimbots?

Also provide the vanilla weapons WITH the same damage value as base reference for all other weapons

That is, don't limit yourself to 3 weapons by genre! You can propose more, but only 1 of a kind (+ pistol + hammer) at a time. This is not the best solution but better than nothing. No switching between real weapons really sucks.

2) I agree with what has been said, keep the weapon after death if you don't make it a pickup game.

3) I continue to say that while some gametypes shouldn't have hearts/shields (survival), some gametypes should.

We're thinking about scrapping the buy system for another menu based system, and we're doing a lot of brainstorming. Our current idea is that you have a total of 5 slots, 3 primary, 1 secondary and hammer. In the beginning you pick one primary weapon and one secondary weapon to start with (and hammer ofc). When tees are killed, their weapon(s) is(are) dropped, and other can pick them up. So, let's say tee A is killed by B. A's weapons are dropped and B picks them up. He now has 3 primary weapons, for example. The ammo is exactly as when A died. If you want more ammo, there will be ammo pickups on the maps. Another important aspect to mention is that you will spawn with a weapon every time. And you won't change spawning weapon until you choose to do so. This should furthermore give us the possibility to provide both survival and respawn gamemodes.

New weapons will be an issue that we'll face once the new system is decided. Until then, suggestions are welcome. Originality + balance is hard, but if we skip compatibility, uniqueness won't be an issue.

You gave some nice suggestions there, though.

It's a test to see how we could force a sniper to be exactly a sniper in a 2D-game. Players with that kind of weapon are able to deal hugh amounts of dmg on long range, but if you get up close, it's gg.

We're talking about using pickups in some degree. Can't tell you how much that will be pickups, though. Proably health and armor.