ctf5 improvement thread

Coz ctf2 has a ninja, too. If vanilla provides this weapon, I don't see any reason to not implement it into a big ctf-map. It will be turned off anyway

Didn't change anything there and you can pick 'em up without jumping.

Shotgun > Rifle in close range. Plus you can get same freehits with gun shots, when someone is camping there.
I don't really know if it would work like I'd changed it, was just an idea.

Just don't believe ctf5 is large enough for high skilled 8vs8 matches. Thus I tried to change it, so it could fit for 5vs5.
-> Less pickups
-> Spawns in air, to still provide the possibility for higher amounts of players (So there can still spawn 8 tees at once)

Edit: By removing the 6 armor around the flag, I want to force a more dynamic gameplay for defender.

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Dudes, ctf5 is just chill to play on, it's not to compete on !

My advise would be : don't even bother. ;-)

Maybe it's a good map to chill, but "the challenge is the game".
There are some player out here, who like to play competitive matches.

Why do you think a map with a straight path can't be competitive?
Even I didn't play any cg's or cw's on it yet, I could imagine that a competitive match could take place, but it would have a unique gameplay (width opened, fast)

Well, what's about blocking the mid, so you have to go through the upper or lower hallway?
Both could get extended, so good movement, gameplay and enough space for non-camping fights would still exist.

Furthermore, removing some pickups and the num of players could solve the "easy flag defending" issue.
Do you agree with my changes?

I have some respect for what you are trying to do. It is good to see people who try to make things more competitive. Unfortunately I believe that it is doomed to fail on ctf5, or if you succeed it wouldn't be the ctf5 we know anymore.

I believe that if you want an interesting gameplay, you have to put some ways for the players to intercept other players. The problem with a straight path is that it doesn't need a lot of skill to do rocket jumps there and to capture in 4 seconds without giving the enemies good possibilities to intercept you.

I would actually do the contrary about blocking the mid. I would remove the two little corridors (up, down) to have at least one point where all the paths cross. But it would modify the map too much, so I agree with what other people said: don't bother.

I think the pickups on ctf5 are really not placed in a way that improves the gameplay. If you look at other ctf maps, in general you have like 4-5 shields in one place, but there is a risk in taking them if there is an enemy near you. I think it makes the game more interesting. On ctf5 you have a lot of 3xshields, 3xhearts. If there is an enemy near you taking 3xshields isn't really worth the risk.

The only way to improve this map is by replacing it with another one, along woth ctf4 and ctf6. Also ch1l should get replaced as the official mapper for years of inactivity and releasing some of the shittiest maps we ever sat our eyes on. His only good contribution so far is ctf3, but yeah, there are lots of good 3on3 community maps. Our community assignment to chilly, to make a 4on4 map, ended in a catastrophe called new ctf4. For 0.7, there must be new maps to replace the amount of disgrace chilly has produced. This is the only chance for teeworlds to regain it's overall perfection it had before the new maps (cant even remember their names and number correctly, no one wants to host or play on them for a good reason) occured and took a dump on actually good community mapper talents.

Just as unplayable: lack of pickups, shitty movements, base too easy to defend, etc. I'm pretty sure I played it as much as anyone else or more and it's been a frustration each time. Ctf6 can be salvaged though.

Rearranged pickups and closed the mid. Maybe The 2 other hallways would need to get improved now + solid, dunno.
Edit: It's just an impulse for some thoughts, nothing "serious".

Btw I can't agree with you AMN. Maybe chilly isn't the best mapper ever, but he is at least trying to do something good. I don't know any good map made by you, huh?

If tees are beyond 200 tiles out of the game layer, they get killed.

Ye 200 is way too much.
But you have to consider that an open map shouldn't get limited for rocket jumps etc.
About 75 tiles seem to fit better, so you won't get killed there.

Ok i think replace armor and heart with grenade is really bad idea ....
Tees will camp in this point and have ammo.Wen in this point has armor and heart if someone get close and shoting some time he will run out of ammo.Well wen his run out of ammo he have to go from there or die!.A tee cant live with armor and hearts only!!   
I think the map is good design to play on it.