development or "What the hell is going on?" (Page 1 of 5)

I second that!

Tbh it sounds like u dislike the balancing of weapons, power ups and gameplay. But in my point of view it is nearly balanced (power up is weak, but who cares). Its normal that experienced players are better than new players, you can see it in all other games too, however it doesnt mean the game is bad.
The much more exciting question is why new players leave the pure gameplay and teeworlds or play mods.

Teeworlds needs new maps. But who will make maps more exciting than maps like ctf2?

Anyway, its time to release 0.5.3.

I really think The current state of teeworlds trunk is stable and is releasable, and releasing would be the only way to find all bugs and squash them if they even exist at all ^^.

Also many many bugs are in 0.5.2 and trunk version is not that popular, so noobs don't know to use it.

i think an 0.5.3 release would be great.

and if there is anything i can do, please let me know.

Vanilla is boring. Just to give you an impression - the amount of vanilla players is nearly constant since 0.3.X. Figures speak in my favour There have to be reasons why and imo it's because of the gameplay. If you look at the pro games you will see a very static game with fast, repetetive movements. If it's an elaborated match people will obtain certain roles (e.g. defender, attacker, flag carrier), but real cooperation or collaboration does not take place. There is no weapon/skill/buff which helps others and  therefore everyone plays on its own. It's a farce to say tdm is fun.
In addition the only real power up (katana) is not used as the so called pro gamer think it's not advantageous. Thus we need to think about power ups in general, which may interfere static gameplay and which are worth fighting for.

Concerning the standard weapons: the grenade launcher is imo too powerful for defending high places; the laser does not do its original purpose of slowing down or killing a flag carrier (it's "just" a distance weapon).

Race will become official, so no need to talk about it.

DDRace is a collaborative mod, you need to play WITH others. That's big fun. Then it's easy to learn and hard to master. Game play is demanding and full of variation (you need to learn a lot (!) of tricks). To put it in a nutshell: it's more innovative, creative and demanding, which heavily influence long-term fascination.

It's hard to create high quality, pleasing and demanding ddr maps. A good example for outstanding DDrace maps are the nut_hardcore maps.

As long as game play stays the same people will only play ctf2.

We wrote about 0.5.3 for a special reason. All changes made until now doesnt change anything on the netcode. So it is still fully compatible to all 0.5 version. Since the versioning is like that: major.netcode.patch a 0.6 release would just be wrong.

We did not write that the gameplay of vanilla is bad. Actually i think its pretty much perfect. Still it needs changes cuz the gameplay didnt develope at all since 0.4 release (well a little bit but not worse mention it).
One of the big problem is that all the "old tewworlds guys" fear changes but as u can see... e.g. ddrace changes a lot and ppl are playing it so it cant be that wrong to change even bigger things or add big changes to the gameplay. It could be powerups or jumppads as we mentioned in the first post. It would make begiiners who arent good with the hook much faster and the gap between good and bad players smaller as the beginners can move fast, too.
This would automatically need new maps providing a good gameplay for the new features... like really far jumps and stuff... im pretty sure our official mappers would be glad to create maps for this prupose

Anyway... this thread is not only about gameplay. Also it is about how to make the development better and more visible to public.
What do you think about the ideas we mentioned?

Well i´d like some more information about what´s currently going on @ dev team. Dev journal is not up to date there are no news nothing. There was a request about this already http://www.teeworlds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=5529. But this is quite old too so ...

As for balancing i can say: Laser is so more than unbalanced in any ctf game its just too powerfull. Its either on low range, mid range and long range strong. Actually  i like the design with the bounce but in practice its giving the laser an advantage which is more than extra ordinary. It should be replaced by a more balanced long range weapon in my opinion.
Powerups are not used. Okay i luv katana but its only a fun weapon, nothing anyone would use in a competitive way. As i heard something like it was originally intended as placeholder for future powerups.

About gametypes why not replace survival with tdm its by far a better team deathmatch type than actually tdm is right now. Is there any competitive tdm community out there if yes plz let me know cause ctf is boring.

Mutant ( from ut2004 if someone know it ).

Or something like team A  has to attack point A team B defend . Point a is either defend within the time frame or captured . After switch positions and Team B  has to attack point B and Team A has the defensive role. There are like 3 -5 such points on the map and you gain points either b defending or capturing.

LMAO, are you kidding me?
The difference between pros and noobs it is what makes teeworlds best game ever! You have nearly infinite possibility to higher your skills, this is why this game is fun even after 3 years of playing!
There's never the same situation in Teeworlds. Look CS:S. THERE you can find the same situations. And teeworlds is about improvisation and innovations. No wai.

Stay wild

... who cares about what "mods or vanilla" people play? it's a game, and they should play whatever is fun ..

Yeah thats right but it doesn`t solves the Problem!

In my view we have a other Problem. Ok we have tons of Servers, Players and and and.....
But we don`t have a good Community!

e.g. Look at the Map Thread, it is a desert of a Forum. Nobody builds some new Maps and if you see a new map than it is a race/ddrace or something else with some really bad Tilesets.

And if anybody is building a "new" map he only uses the Standart tiles, with standart Backround and Mountains!

i like the Idea because today everybody use blogs or Twitter.

On the Homepage we should set a button to the Blog, so easily anybody can find these News!

Greatings
iphone747

Because it takes a lot of time? As people explained, noone started to code the required changes to the network stuff for 0.6, so there is no reason to "force a 0.6 release".

i think there isn't hurry to release any version, also because last development build is always in home page, very accesible for who want download it. When something will make required that all people must have new version, than will be necessary release it

There are only a few things which are not compatible and the only thing which would really be a reason is the tile rotation but ppl will see it an update to 0.5.3 or just wont play on the map which is a good thing (yes ppl are kinda forced to update). About the font stuff... seroiously... nobody cares about special characters... also updating would fix this issue.
Well this basically all what is incompatible (except for voting (in 0.5.2 you cant give a reason)).

As we said the release would be only to actually have a release. 0.6 will still take a long time since nothing (really nothing) is done for 0.6. And to keep a very instable 0.5.2 as the latest "stable" release is just sad!!
You dont even have to open the game to crash a 0.5.2 server