DDRace - good and innovative mod? or destroyer of teeworlds, noob mod? (Page 6 of 6)

yeah: another quote

yes, i normally search for the gametype i want to play, sometimes race, sometimes ddrace, sometimes ctf...

ddrace site is offline now

ddrace site will be up again soon...

Then i am a noob

You don't need to know ddrace good to say that it's for newbs. Just join a ddrace server randomly and you'll have your answer.

No I didn't said it thousand of times... so let's just do it again: Let's say someone starts playing teeworlds. He will join a server randomly and the chance to join a ddrace server will be 50% or more. Lets just say he joins a vanilla server. He will be totally bad, dead all the time and even not having the chance to reach the middle. He will ragequit game or just the server and will try an other one which will be a ddrace server. He will find other newbs and not skill needed stuff like clicking mouse2 or something... This guy will only play ddrace and nether know what vanilla even is which every second ddrace players doesn't.

Why should playing the same again and again wouldn't be fun? Did you never played css vanilla or a css mod for like 4 hours without losing fun at all? Btw if you would be right then all games like lol, dota2, mirrors edge and so damn much other games be totally crap 'cause they don't allow mods and are allways the same huh?

1. Gameplay really matters is a true thing if you tell about hardcore2 or something but all this noob maps are just created with unhookable tiles because the mappers aren't able to work with this very simple map editor.
2. He is right. Just look as skynet or Blu3Kitts maps for example.
3. They look all the same and they are all the same.
It's way harder creating a vanilla map than a ddrace map. In ddrace maps you just place some parts maybe have new ideas which would make your map interesting since every map is the same and you maybe give it another background color. Then you place all shadow tiles and the gamelayer is done by the ddrace client editor. Then you just test is 2 or 3 times maybe edit little things and its done.
For a vanilla map your first have to think about the gameplay which is the hardest part. I allrady spend hours for that. You maybe just try out stuff which i did when i had no idea and the chance to create a little good part is like 1% for each try. When you have done the gameplay then you allready spent more time than for a whole ddrace map. An awesome map does have a good design in my opinion so you are thinking about the design. What special design could i make? And since you know what a good map is are you trying to keep your maps as little(file size) as possible which ddrace maps aren't because of fonts or other stuff nobody cares. So you are making the design and spent way more time.

I think mods can make way more fun and also can be better than the original. But i wouldn't say that its ONLY and opinion. If you know cod4 promod and cod4 then you know that cod4 isn't really good but promod is an awesome mod which makes the game balanced, skill based and free of kids/noobs(sounds impossible for cod but it's true). In teeworlds noobs ofc will have more fun with something they are able to do.

Conclusion:
DDRaces just catches all new players so nobody even get a chance to play teeworlds and i say teeworlds because ddrace isn't based on teworlds' prinzip like fly which is a really awesome mod. And yes it's not as easy as ddrace.
We can say that every mod did something for teeworlds. Like fly mod: Opened a new area how to play vanilla gameplay in an other way just more concentrated on your hook. Race mod: It's not really diffrent than vanilla only that you don't kill players, you try to get as past as possible to a position like in ctf. No big diffrence exept that you have no selfdamage and endless ammo.

This isn't enough to show my real opinion about ddrace.

What is good with DDRace  is there is many maps, then many difficulty. New players can play easy map and have fun. Pros can play hards maps if they are bored by easy maps.
So if you are pro, play on proserver, like DDRaceMax.Pro or Procodex.
And it's a race mod, so if finish map is too easy, try to beat records !

You are right except for the end :
I take my teeworlds experience for exemple :

1. When i started TW i played only vanilla because the filter standard gametype is checked by default. I play occasionally because, as you said, i liked the game but i was really bad so i frequently ragequit.
When I discovered DDRace, I started spending a lot more time to play, but only DDRace. I became a good ddrace's player, then i come back to vanilla, and i was a good vanilla's player too. And now i still play DDRace AND Vanilla.
Without DDRace i would have stopped playing teeworlds quickly coz of ragequit.

On every mod there are good and bad maps...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On4ruBNwIyc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3SH6N9QgqI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waYsudDGEkgI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mJNYF8gW84

I am not agree with you. I never created vanilla maps, but create cool DDRace's map is hard.
1. There is much game entities (blocker, hook through, doors, switch, timer, plasma, drager, speedup...)
2. You have to test each part many time for test if it's possible, not too easy or ot too hard.
3. DDRace is a cooperative mod, so there is some parts you cant test alone, you need help
4. Maps are much bigger than any vanilla map
5. Find originals ideas take time

For me DDRace not steal vanilla player. If DDRace disapear, DDRace's players will not play vanilla but they will stop TW.

But stop say all DDRace's players are noobs.
1. Play DDRace (not XXLDDRace, DDwar DDRace64 ect...)
2 Play Hard maps
3 Try to beat every records

(sorry for english)

Ill do it short this time to save time

I more meant blocker than new players.

Most players stay at ddrace cause they need to learn much new stuff since weapons for example work totally diffrent.

The maps are 95% crap and 5% designed. Thats because most mappers are new players but that doesnt mean that their maps wont be hostet. Nobody would play a map made by a new player in vanilla because of the bad gameplay which doesn't matters for ddrace because new players wont say that its bad. And good mappers will make a well designed map with good gameplayers which will be the only vanilla maps that would be hosted. All in all: most online ddrace maps are crap.

When I played DDRace my maps also were noob maps and they were done very fast. First i tryed to design stuff and bring my own style but then i saw how bad other maps look and didnt cared about the design anymore. If you design your ddrace map well then you maybe need the same or more time but still making a good vanilla map is harder in my opinion.

For me its hard to make a good vanilla map...harder than ddrace
in ddrace you can do what you want
all people will play it ...
in vanilla you must look if the gameplay is very good shields hearts weapons movement so amny things...and if you have the perfect map...noone will play it or download it because ctf2

DDRace is a really chill mod. It's just about getting to the finish and having fun with friends. Sometimes there's also competition but I don't think this happens very often.

I think it's just because vanilla is so intensive.. you have to click so much in a vanilla game. It's fun and all, but it's just very intense. For instance, firing your gun you need to click 10 times very fast, hammering aswell. Maybe if the gun went automatic ( keep the mouse pressed for shooting, like rocket ), the fingers wouldn't be stressed so much.

Just some random thoughts from me.

Greetings

CuBe

You are right but you forgot that DDRace gives the players one crucial thing: Aim!
I don't know if you know these DDRace situtation: You have to hook your mate while he is falling down in the freeze.
This aim to hit your mate with the hook in the right moment is very useful for Vanilla games with shotgun for example
or for close combat with the hammer where you have to pull your enemy near to you to give him a lot of damage.
The problem is once you join a Vanilla-captaingame there is a chance of 4,873% that one team chooses you for combat.
The Vanilla players need to be more newb-friendly and let them play in their teams or maybe there should be Vanilla training for new players with a professional player.
Ah and when there are 5000 players some day I will start mapping a Vanilla map! I swear!