[ Closed ] Bot-User detection log!

Maybe Kirk and his people can now admit that they used bots in clanwars versus Qi and that they only won because of cheating. Anyway we won them even when they used bots and that is kinda embarrasing. You can't deny it now, we all know it, but if you admit it you can show that you are no cowards.

Please Devs, so something against botters and also about the fact that 850 out of 900 servers are running mods!

Not really agree with your methods.
1) Doesn't make a proof since it can be a faker.
2) He just said he will use a bot doest mean he actualy will
3) Stop trolling about my team
4) Its instagib who cares ?

Now i don't say he is not cheating thats not my problem. I'm just saying the way you discovered it is so sad.

"BUT you must do something against these cheaters otherwise many players will leave this game and maybe the Teeworlds Community will go down."
Talking about community with people you can't trust ?
(again i don't say he is not cheating just talking about the way you know it)

Developper can't do anything against cheat, well at least they won't do. They don't have enough time to spend on teeworlds they won't waste it for an impossible task.

Since the game is free you can't ban cheaters with dynamic ip ect... Won't prevent them to come back on an other nick.

Cheating has been discuss many times, its troll.

Finnaly you could take this idea back when teeworlds will have account linked to names. Then you could do a nick banlist from demos, but gameplay demos.
Watched by some tools or whatever to make sure he is really cheating.

Hey azuma, you're a botter! I recorded how you put ur bot on ! you left the game and joined with bot.... ( this is a joke )

It looks like fake mhm?))

Ok i saw the demo, but i dont believe that its the real kirk..

hmmmm... 1.) botusing in vanilla is stupid, you cant aim with the grenade launcher and your movement fails:)
2.) yes i was using a bot, but not an on/off-bot (strg/ctrl-bot), only an ordinary bot
3.) as far as i know Jordane has the same bot, but he's never using it, too.
4.) i knew that lanta joined eQ to proof if we're a botter-clan, so why should i say him then that i'm a cheater? kinda senseless.
5.) happy easter to all
6.) cya ingame:)
7.) lets wait for version 0.6

greeeetzz,
bassgo/kirk

P.S:
one point i forgot to mention: i restarted teeworlds again after that game because blacky and me had a funwar vs. sunrise... and now guess what i did when i restarted teeworlds again? riiiteee , i turned bot off

sry 4 double posting... BUT: i dont even have lantas icq number oO

I'm here
I've always done thing believeng one day this thing should help the comunity. Detecting cheaters and botters is one of them, I don't like to play with them.
Ok, Kirk is one, and it's just an example. Of the many users playing now there are many many botters, too much. If you have proofs here is the right place to publish them.
That's not a useless topic. It's about the Teeworlds future and the future of the entire community.

By the way, the proof about Kirk is 100% reliable, I've made them and also Kirk can confirm. Also, see the number of frags per min... it's a bit unhuman, isn't it? xD
Now I want to reply to the many answers, one by one:

[+1]

That's another big problem and should be really considered. Think about it.

You position is making me think. Who developed the awesome super-ctrl bot for kirk and blacky? It's really awesome, a perfect work, a work that I've tried to imitate without success. Only a good developers like you can code something similar... and with this, I said all my suspects about you and eQ. (underline, SUSPECTS) And that's why I left. I have an image, and you too.
1) He's not a faker. After that match there was another one with his brother, too. By the way, was not the first time he used it into a clanwar. I joined the clan only for this.
And no Azuma, not on ICQ. By the way, he was him, 120% sure. And he said this.
2) Was not the first time, and won't be the last. He will use the bot also now with these proof avaiable online.
3) I never trolled about your team. I trolled about 2 members of your team botting, and I can say you more. Other members of eQ will be listed here for using other illegal modified clients. How can you defend them Rajh? Are you one of them?
4)Ok, that's an insta proof. But, like Azuma said, it can be used without problems in a vanilla match. By the way, after many matches with and against you, I can say also vanilla matches were not so fair.

The thing was allready well-known. We only wanted one more proof, and here you are. You've done many great project about cheat detection like the RajhCheatDetector. I always admirated your works but... RCD is still buggy and always will be. You don't want it to be perfect or what?
Kirk was kicked just entering the game into RCD i remember it. I've tested RCD and it really kick aimbotters but also skilled players.
By the way, cheating is your problem. And it's a problem of the whole community.

I trusted him and he trusted me. That was his biggest error. Call me traitor, call me whatever you want, but I'm still Lanta. That's why, when I asked him to turn on his bot, he did it.
I trust in the future of the community, not in the single player. One maybe be sacrificated for the health of the rest (that remeber me a bit Easter... xD).

We are waiting for account system... in the meanwhile, we'll keep updated this list with names and proof, so every server admin/clan will think about interact with these people. That's the simplest method to prevent botting at the moment.

The demo is not enough? Watch it, Rajh, watch it again. That's the biggest proof ever seen about a botter.
There will never be "the tool" against cheaters. There is human intelligence only, that sometimes culd be helped by statistics.
Watch the demo, again. And with this, I said all for now.

1) do you know what is the hook? And what is a ctrl-bot? Kinda useless to talk like this.
Insta bot could be used also in vanilla and in map with lasers (99% of maps) it's an advantage. Only for laser, yes, but could be used btw.
2) yeah, this time was an ordinary bot. You needed to disconnect and re-join to activate or deactivate it.
3) proofs?
4) you didn't knew that. You just discovered it, now.
5-6-7) like i said.... he will continue... that's the goal of this thread, it's not like a simple discussion about bot or cheats.
8)WoW... and how we should know you won't use it next time in a clanwar? how can we "trust" you again next time?
Admin it, you are not using only a simple aimbot in vanilla.

Ah, marik marik.
This discussion is not pointless. We'll keep an updated list of player with proofs of cheating to warn other clans/server hoster about these user. Nothing more simple to do, until an account system will be introduced.

Vanilla gameplay isn't affected? Nice... really nice. Laser still exists in Vanilla, and they can use it without problems.
I want to underline what Steph said:

I've never said u use a ctrl-bot. I said you may use it and these are only suspects.

Nice story, realy interesting. And why all call you bot-user, in every gametype, in every map? There must be something true. We've posted a simple proofof an insta match. And that's all.

The demo is our proof you are familiar with bot-using, expecially in instagib. At the moment, we can't detect if you use a ctrl-bot or something similar in vanilla, but if you use it in insta... ... ...

yes, it was a trap. I already know that you could use it because you used it in the past.

i'm not a botuser

Hm if kirk or blacky use bots, All players of the great teams can use a bot. We can't know who use a bot and I don't play for that... It's not the best solution I think... If you must play bad for that nobody say that you are a bot, we must stop to play...
So i think that's not the good solution, wait the 0.6

Sry for bad english

Well, you all have written your hearts out in this discussion...
we all know you will continue to use bots (or continue to be spontaneously perfect aim all of a sudden), but there isn't much that we can do about it.
One thing, is that YOU can think about. Bots are wrong, use them if you like, but know that you aren't playing as yourself, you are playing as some bot.
Also, if this is a bot-user log, we might as well post more people instead of throwing attacks at kirk.