[INFO] Measurements

How can you compare lost with ctf2 oO!!

I would not take lost as an example of a good map, in my eyes it is the opposite of ctf2...

I think all those numbers won't help people to make good maps, you just need some experience in making maps and have the feeling for the right height of tiles. Then, in extensive tests you have to adjust and tweak everything so that both noobs and pros can make great moves and have their fun. The problem is that if a player is not at such a high level at playing, he will make maps which are good for his level of skill, which are often bad maps in our eyes because we move in a different way, mainly faster. So to rise the quality of maps you have to rise the player's skill first...

Most of those numbers aren't too effective for making good movement. What it is about is learning when to use the right sizes of corridors, and which angles give which speed etc. Those things are quite hard to teach, but I might see if I can get some numbers for yyou people.

Also, lost wasn't measured, that is quite obvious if you open it in the editor and check some of the platforms, the good movement of lost is mainly because such openess is a failsafe way to make the map easily moveable. ctf2 was made with 0.3 physics in mind, so it's well measured, but I wouldn't say everything is optimal for -worlds physics, which is mhy ctf2 opposed to most other maps imo have slower gameplay now compared to 0.3.

Anyway, the best way of making great movement in maps is probably to have a local server and test every tile you make. It's good to remember that a bad player is a bad mapper, but a good player isn't necessarily a good mapper, people tend to think that "I'm not good at playing, so I can be a good mapper." Just looking at those numbers is useless if you have no idea how they're used in fights, or to gain high speed. Also, even if you're a good player, not all people can really see the whole picture in the game, or know _what_ makes maps good, compared to _ctf2_ is good. (;

So instead of watching these numbers blindly, learn the game and practice mapmaking until it get's better and better (;

A trend on this forum is that the bad mappers release alot of crap and the good mappers such as steph or dare I say me release very little. Might it be because time and tweaking is needed for great maps..? Something to think about.

EDIT: oh, and please don't call it units per second or even units. units per second, or ups, is what the code uses for speed measurements, and 1t (tile) = 32x32u so saying walking speed is 16ups is a joke (;

Thanks Magix a lot!  I think this will be useful for many people!
But unit = tee (tees)
Maybe you can add second jump height
*STICKY*!!