Water as part of the map (Page 2 of 2)

I'm not hostile towards hazard tiles as I like the idea of punishing mistakes in movement while maintaining the flow (unless there's a nasty shock reaction purely intended to break the flow).

I didn't play any CTF so this might be true but can't talk out of experience on what I'd like/dislike. I'm not sure why exactly but I dislike breaking the flow in DM/TDM, but would really appreciate the exact same thing in a CTF game.

all the last comments were about how the water would work during action, but come on... this is almost unpredictable. besides the fact that there is not a agreement here about how it would work (slow? really slow? swimming ability like mario in a toad suit?) it also relies on the player skill, energy and weapons he has at the moment and, most of all, the map itself.

Teetees:

just an example to paint what teetow said: try to remember how the water worked in q3. it wasn't good to stay there because you'd become an easy target, but everyone entered it in search for the quad damage... that was really fun. fun to slay the opponent in the water and to instagib them from far. if the water work that way in teewars, it wouldn't "break the flow", as you said.

would waters work in teewars? i think it is hard to discuss without some major agreements, but the idea can work, because there are so many things you can do to place water in the game that it HAS to be some idea that fits the tee world. good idea, but not essential.

Firstly I think Q3 and teewars is pretty possible to compare, Q3 offers alot in tempo and speed too.

Secondly I think water could be quite cool and I see numerous possibilities how to use it wise in maps, but there are game tecnical problems and I think someone should lay down a total explanation of how it'd work. Also I dont think it should be always on the bottom of the map, but being up to the mapdesigner where to put it.

nope you get me COMPLETELY wrong.

What I mean is that the water should be placed like any other block/unhookable block. This makes it possible to create small pits of water or stupid flying water in the middle of the air if that is your weird obsession. These things should NEVER be hardcoded, the mapper should have the control.

Good idea, but now think, how to make interesting map with it so it would be useful

You can make water spots very usefull with TREASURE aka Weapons/Health/Items

Can't express my love for you right now

I don't quite get the message. If this was supposed to legalize the Q3 <-> Teewars comparison I have to disagree as at least the movement is a whole lot different thanks to Teewars' hook! Anyway, after your clear message on water I'd even sign this one. <3

Yeah, and reverse gravity.

I agree it should be those in favour of water who come up with convincing arguments, but really Teetees... Just because you can't think of a good way of pulling this off doesn't mean it's impossible. Stop presenting it as such.

Personally I don't see anything wrong with using water to slow down passages and make interesting spots harder to reach without allowing others to trap you. It's called controlling a map's flow and can make, for example, a CTF with many players a lot more diverse and thus interesting.

What I'd like to see, in case water does make it in someday, is buoyancy. That would make it harder to submerse your tee and ever harder to keep it there [you'd have to stay "anchored" with the hook, which would make you an easier target], but at the same time easier to swim, let alone hook, up again. The effect would eventually push you out of the water at a certain momentum, depending on how deep you were when you let go, possibly resulting in another fun aspect of the game. Yes, it would mean tees are lighter than water. They certainly look like they are!

Hell yeah, tell me what would make water stick on the ceiling in a game that is a side-scroller with gravity pointing downwards?

But I tried really hard to think of a good way pulling it off and I eventually concluded there is none?
I like matrick's description pretty much of what water fould "feel" like ingame.

I like the idea!