[IDEA] Damage Match (Page 1 of 2)

I think this gamemode's interesting. Shouldn't be hard to implement as a Mod, doesn't need to be an official game mode.

Only thing about this mod is that it would need a totally new weapon balancing. You can hit a player with the pistol more often per second than with the grenadelauncher or laser. Also the chance of hitting someone with the shotgun is higher than with some of the other weapons (for non pro gamers).

Some solution for this would be to use only one type of weapon per round.

I think that's a valid point there about DMG offering a less clearly defined goal than other game modes at any one point in time, but I don't doubt effective strategies would evolve in time just as well. Rather than chasing down enemies whom you know are low on health like you do in DM, you'd have to find other ways of selecting targets; go for those in the worst position in relation to yourself, perhaps. Doesn't sound that boring to me.

It is also true armor and health pickups would have no place in this game mode, but while I agree they're an important part of DM, their lack hasn't stopped Instagib from being challenging in a way too. It's just one thing less on your mind, which leaves more brain power for other tasks like concentrating on your movement so you don't give away too many cheap points.

About the hammer, it would be a lot more risky to get into hammer duels and become an easy double target for a third party equipped with a grenade launcher, yes, but you're going to be running out of ammo quite a bit since you won't ever respawn with a fresh supply, especially in large games. The thing still has a huge damage output and is a lot of fun, so I wouldn't just write it off like that.

You won't get the gratification of seeing a tee you've just unleashed 4 grenades on disappear in a splash of paint, but think of it this way... you'll be able to get 4 more hits on the same tee afterward as he tries to get away and humiliate him even more!

As for the beauty of chat killing, I'm not entirely sure what you mean. It will be in your best interest to not stand still and let everyone with two seconds of spare time
rain grenades on you, because they'll just get a lot more damage per second than you will with your pistol, resulting in them running away with points and you staying glued to the bottom of the score sheet.

Also, what's not beautiful about doing huge grenade jumps and speeding past enemy tees to snatch the weapon they were about to pick up, then using it to get a mass of damage points out of them because they're poorly equipped? /me drools.

I'd say a fully loaded grenade launcher in the hands of a relatively okay player does a lot more damage than a pistol still. I think I might have failed to explain that by hitting someone full-on with a grenade launcher, you'd get 6 points [same as the number of damage stars coming out of him as you hit him], while a pistol hit will only give you 1 point. So a fully loaded grenade launcher has the potential of getting you 60 points on a single opponent, meaning the pistol would have to be emptied and reloaded 6 times for the same effect.

Easy done with setting the idle players spectator i think i remember 1 or 2 mods which have inclueded this.

Well it would be a great alternative  .would be quite fun for seeing the score going up that fast .
But there are still some problems i see:
.) A skilled player still does a lot of more damage than a noob
.) only can be played with timelimit cause scorelimit would be hit very fast i think.

Is making the server count the damage done instead of kills really that easy? Excellent. Anyway, I'm glad this is being considered seriously, it should be a lot of fun trying it out in reality and seeing if anything is bizarrely imbalanced. Suicide attacks with the grenade launcher come to mind if there's going to be no self damage, for one thing.

Yeah, that's a bit of a problem, but even aside the solution Marik16 suggests [which I think should and will be implemented officially too at one point], there are a few possibilities to counter such behaviour. Other than the obvious one of playing with people you know, it's also not completely unrealistic for a good player to try to hook the afk killer away, get him involved in a real battle and punish him. Not a very serious solution, I know, but I've seen it happen before on public servers, even by more than one player at the same time. Funny stuff.

1) It's only right that he does! The purpose of DMG isn't to bring everyone down to the same level, but rather to make it just a little less annoying for a newbie to get into the game. Right now in a duel against a better player, you will often spawn with less armor, less weaponry and less control of the map after being killed each time, and that's on top of being worse at the game. That's not a problem and actually a good thing among evenly matched opponents because it keeps things interesting and intense, but I do believe an alternative would be nice.

2) Looking at the source, the score limit seems to be capped at 1000 the way things stand now. I'm pretty sure that'd be enough, but in case it isn't, I guess the time limit would have to do. Best wait and see how quickly the score goes up in practice.

Hehe, no worries. Hopefully this is my last confusingly long post in this thread and we'll be letting the guns do the talking from now on. Do you guys come to the IRC channels on QuakeNet? I'm usually there as KRD or NogardDerNaerok and unless I'm too far away, I'll respond if someone types out my nickname.

I haven't started yet. I have some work to do before I can allow myself to work on work on extra-scholar projects (goddamn compiler project ).

Personally I don't see how a game mode that actually kicks you when you're doing what you are suppose to do (dealing damage) would become very popular. Maybe it's better to implement the camper penalty of committing suicide and losing some points?

Wth... no. Not kicking the players attacking AFK players, but kicking the AFK players so others can't easily score because of them.

It seems very weird.

As torch said {with grenades}, imagine yourself with hammer in this mod.
Hits and more hits and "nothing".
Except your finger, that's sucked.

Do you have an example of score limit for this gametype?

Niceness! I've spent a while on the server earlier so here's some early thoughts:

1. It in fact seems easier to keep players playing for at least a couple of rounds, even though they're gaining points slower than you are. Hurrah!

2. It's all very brutal, as expected. Once you have someone trapped in a corner, you can rack up lots of points quickly, but I guess this will be less noticeable with good players once they get used to the concept of immortality.

3. The grenade launcher feels a little too powerful without self damage. The shotgun has its uses, but it mainly ends up being used after you've run out of grenades, which isn't optimal. We should try it with self damage turned on, so that suicide attacks lower your points a little [6 - 3 = 3]. Sadly this will also mean grenade jumps won't go unpunished anymore, but they'll still be useful since you can't die, just lose a bit of points. Could end up being a strategic decision.

4. On the smaller maps like dm1 and dm9, the map runs out of weapons very quickly when you have more than just 2 players playing. This is understandable and spawning with all the weapons addresses this problem already in part, but I guess it's still better to only host 2 player servers on small maps.

5. The hammer gets *a lot* of use. This probably won't be the case on larger maps with more available weapons, but still.

What I've noticed was that, at least in a game with fewer players, the points don't go up as quickly as you'd expect, even if some players are being chat killing jerks. And anyway, it's wise to keep the rounds short because the action is pretty intense, especially with many players. Somewhere between 100 and 150 feels about right for 2 player games, 250 for 4 players and I guess 500 for 8 players and more.

But obviously these depend on our findings regarding the other scoring system I'd like to try; that one's probably going to take significantly lower values. spl0k's working on it.

um... when is the server up, because i put in two letters DA for "DAmage" and i cant find anything except DAzoe some random ones with "players" section highlighted
[I have filters "compatable version (0.5.0) and No Password]]

Nah. It just wasnt up when i searched. 5 min ago i searched up da again and damage match expirimental was first.
First thing, it was pretty fun.
But, I GOT SMOKED. The first time i played, i wasnt expecting i could lose so many points so i stood in one place and kept on jumping to avoid fire. Some new guy got -200s, i got -51 and another guy got 200s.

I think that this mode is actually harder for me to play (i dunno if ima newb or an average-to-Almost-Awesome-Player)
But this definately fun. You get to swing around doing whatever u want without worrying you will get hit and you can fire back if you feel like.

Anyways, i disconnected and reconnected (to reset my score) and started to play normall again and i got the guy to 30 and me to -30 so i figured this mode isnt untierly unfair to people who suck (like me)
To make this more appealing to newbies is to probably make the minimim amount of points -100 or something (so they wont feel too discouraged)

You should add a full set of shields just to make it look good.
Anyways, needs a bit of tweaking (not sure what it is) but keep on expirimenting!