Please more normal maps!

I think it's important for any open-source, depending-on-the-community game like Teeworlds, that the game follows it's players, not that players follow the game. If the people feels like designing race and run maps then it is what the people want. The only thing that could be done to change such developments is giving them reasons to change, or accept the direction of the community. Saying "don't do this, do that" would only cause a wide gap between the game and it's audience, which is never good.

Some positive things however:
- 0.5.0 will bring some very nice maps.
- You can always design maps yourself.
- For a long time instagib was the king of Teeworlds, now it is starting to degenerate a bit. Who knows, maybe race and run will do as well in favor of normal games.

Not always is this the right thing to do. If we would have followed the players in all decisions we wouldn't have skin support, we would have about 10 different useless weapons, and the laser would have done 10 hp damage.

What it's really about is that it's very easy to make a run map that will be played, whilst almost no one plays unofficial dm or ctf maps.. In this case the community have to change, cause it's something that the developers don't want, but something only the community can change. The best way is to host a server with good maps/gametypes, play on servers with good maps/gametypes and promote good maps in favor of not-so-good maps.

I totally think that if the community was a single living organism, it would be extinct. Or at least only exist on a few places. Fact is, a community is the fuel of any game, but to say that a game would be able to do just fine without the guidance of developers is just madness.

We are all of big importance for how this game evolves, but I think that to let the players decide everything is the same as giving humans of every age the possibility to vote. A five year old knows nothing of politics. But, that doesn't say that we're completely bound to let everything go as it goes. It is open-source, so to say your opinion and trying to convince everyone else is just logical.

bobsmiley shouldn't be scolded on for speaking his mind, he should be praised. One of the reasons that I'm a part of TeeTV is because I want to change. I want to change the way the community sees on pro gaming in Teeworlds. I want to change the narrow minded individuals, so that they can find new things to try. I want to change the enormously conservative community to start contribute to change and evolution.

If this community was a single living organism, it would be one of the first ones to succumb and turn extinct. Everything has to evolve to be able to survive.

Teemenator it depends if other ppl like ur maps of course you like yours that would be kinda strange if you make maps and then don´t like and host

but i think mappers haven´t got any chance to get their maps public cause the way of contribution is kinda hard you have to make a thread with all infomation and ur first impression is the Screenshot you upload so if it looks bad most of the ppl who see it never will dl it and try to play it.
And even if they play ur custom map offical maps will always be in first place cause they are used for tournaments because all ppl have them automaticly

So i focused on mapping for mods cause they need special maps with this i have more chance to get my maps recognized by others for example my bombing1.2 for football mod or the several maps for flagball mod.

So i would say the basic problems of maps for standard gametypes are:
-first of all movement and balance problems cause the maps have to be great playable
-gfx problems the map should have a perfect look and high details should be able to turn off
-contribution all should recognize ur map well this is the hardest point i think

I think people tend to make race maps, because they are a lot easier to make. No weapons placement, no balance issues, no flags, bases. Some dont even have doodads. If someone wants to start making maps, they just do a race map, post it here, and after that they become happy, because everyone says its good work, etc because we are so nice. Seriously I dont remember a case when someone was told their race map suck. Whereas when someone posts a normal map, people get critical at it ( which I agree with ) - they start pointing out that there are too many hearts, weapons, the maps unbalanced and the movement is not natural. So the map maker feels bad. But thats the only way to become better - by constructive criticism.