[MAP] Tweaked by Dreamy - DM (Page 2 of 3)

I am a bit educated into european law system. Its called here concludent declaration of intent, but its a difficult subject, especially in the case of somebody putting a link on the forum its not clear what he wants to concludently declare. If he writes with it 'hey, this is my new map, please test it, i want your feedback' one could conclude he wants you to test it on your local server only, and not run a public server. And with "test" he implies a limited time only.

The same as you derive concludently the allowness to use (redistribute) it, I can just as well concludently derive the allowness to make changes to it.

You started with this bull**** not me, I just showed you where it leads if you go this damm track.... Usually the teeworld contributer just put a download link without a long list what he wants to happen with it and what he doesn't. You imply, "but people must ask if they modify", I say with same logic you can also say: "people must if they even want to run it on their server".

However rational: please forget about all this law bull****, and just concentrate on making a nice game. If you want to improve a map, please do. Just credit the original author and mark it as a modification so it cannot be mismatched on the serverlist. Then every rational contributer can only be happy.

Can't you three guys..you know.. just be friends again?

And the one who needs to argue with chinese proverbs has not a normal logic to apply to.

If someone posts it publicly the only thing you can really conclude of, is he goes okay for you to download it from his source. Everything else is just an assumption.

My logic is, when everyone has the right to edit and re-release data, we will have a far more creative community. We can have different versions of maps, and chose as community which one is better. As editor i can freely reassemble existing data to create new communities without sending out messages all the time. This forum does not even support private messages, so often enough I cannot even contact the original author.

I detest the need of people to control things. When you release something you should consider having given to the community, and look what they make of it. The urge of excerting control forever on who may and may not edit, who may and may not use your map, etc.

Say when I work with a text of aristotele, writing secondary literature about him, citing him, do I need to ask aristotele as well?

Well actually he is right. Principles do serve a purpose. As Kant said, "Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law." When I don't see the maxim of a principle as universal law having any good for society, it doesn't make any sense in the sense of Kant. Well I'm already excited about having a detailed moral philosophy discussion, I like these and I am a little educated into morla philosophy

This is again wrong, opensource principle is release early, release often. If you want others to give participative feedback in helping you constructing, you want to post a halffinished map.

You are adhering to a very conservative idea of constructing things. Having a project, limited time, and when its finished its finished forever. This is not good. Often maps get say played for months until after a lot of experience you get a grip what can be improved. Should for example Raleigh not have released the 2D version of the foot map? Well no for him it was okay to play. Then landil came across and say, nice, but I want to improve the graphics, he did and everyone was happy. Now we play that map for months. Now I have further ideas to improve graphics, and so it goes on...

If we settle on a "would be polite to" but not a "you just must do" then I agree.

As an administrator i will make you moderator Appleten.
And i will delete all senseless posts also btw. now.

Stick to the topic guys. I decide that tweaking maps is allowed from now on if the original creator has been asked. If not, just tell me and i will suspend the user from the forums for some days.

No need to thank me.

Since i am serious on all my posts i dont know why they are senseless.
But at this point i dont know how to explain sarcasm to you so you can _understand_ it. Just nevermind.

But seriously now, some mod should delete the useless posts here.(Sure this concerns all of my posts also Oo)

I guess you didnt count your post too, it doesnt belong to any of your mentioned sections

I thought of you If I didn't think about about the original author (you), like Catpaw & Dreamy this discussion would not have started.

@Catpaw,
"And the one who needs to argue with chinese proverbs has not a normal logic to apply to.", come on, you just made that one up ... you cunning devil you!

"Say when I work with a text of aristotele, writing secondary literature about him, citing him, do I need to ask aristotele as well?" yes, and if he doesn't answer his email after a grace period of 10 days, you may assume he doesn't have anything against your request. A little common sense goes a long way.

"This is again wrong, opensource principle is release early, release often. If you want others to give participative feedback in helping you constructing, you want to post a halffinished map." Maybe you should tell the developers of Teeworlds what the principles of opensource are... There are many fixes and changes in the latest code base and when was the last release? I for one don't mind waiting if the authors get it right, it's their decision and I respect that!

And I'll ask again... how long have you been involved with mapping communities?

Could you please stop nag about this in this thread...?

What once was a discussion about morale and authors rights have turned into a flaming war =/

If you intend to continue it, could you do it by mail or something like that? Please...

Flaming is what mainly catpaw and munyul have been doing lately in this thread.

I... I... wow.

Sorry i didn't read that.

Easy to oversee as there BILLIONS of words and lines.

You guys must have apes or slaves who write your posts. My hands would fall off.