Chi11y wrote:Quote #1: d'oh, I was using sarcasm, you seem to fail at seeing that, though.
I have seen it, I decided to ignore it. Sarcasm FTL.
Quote #2: "This is where you are wrong. You are proposing the "rulership" of the coders above the non-coders. This is wrong." I don't force you, but I always think coders should take responsability for what their apps could be used to, as there are so many scriptkiddies out there that feed on coders ignorance.
Well depends on what kind of 'scriptkiddy application' you are referring too. There are applications out there that will test all kinds of well known security holes on a machine. Is this application bad and should not have been developed? No, because it can and is used by sysadmins to test their machines, the hackers out there know the tricks eitherway.
Quote #3: Here you very well show that you don't care about other ppl. Those who create art for the community to enjoy should be hanled with respect, just as those who create code that helps the community. It is all about repecting other peoples work. Oh, I dislike people using Nintendo's work too, even if that is more by principle, as Nintendo gains more than they lose on such a project.
Oh I do care about people, and I do care about the project. I do not care about people trying to hinder other people trying to be creative.
Look copyright has been invented, because before that people didn't share their work, because they didn't want it to be copied. Then people thought about copyright, because they wanted people to be able to give their work to others. Copyright was intended to create a more open society. When we now turn it the other way around, ther is something going wrong.
Quote #4: Nope, but asking makes this application totally uneeded, and further shows how you created this app to do something you aren't allowed to do.
Quote #5: If you erase the entire tileset, why would you need to extract it? Just create a blank page in inkscape and your app is once again uneeded for anything but something you shouldn't do.
To use it as inspiration?
Look, I think authorship is to some degree an illusion nevertheless. When you say 'i did this', did you do this without relying on any ideas you heared of? without being inspired by any graphic?
take for example the great artists. Many of them started as copiers. Take Michael Angelo for example, who made a living by copying art, and by it studying how other artists worked.
Copying is bad, if you just take something and sell it as you own. If Copying means taking something, then to study its design, then to create your own variation of this, then its good, and the basis to ingeniousness. This is now more possible with this app than before.
but about creating rules that makes this world a good place. Obey them instead of babbeling about filing cases.
Well lets talk about two things here. First the world of teeworlds and then the world out there. I challenge which idea of copyright is more fruitfull to create a rich and well developed teeworlds universe. I have always taken it for granted than nobody complains when I take a map shared on the forums and create an improved version. When you see, no because we want to "protect" the right of the original map creator, you are destroying a lot of possible things.
Then there is the world out there that is law, which can determine the world in here. But only if you fill in a case, so stop babbling about the law but instead apply to conscience when you are not really ready to go to court.
Quote #7: Yep. I like to crash this community. I really hate all the people in here, which is why I spend my time here almost every day
Same "argument" holds true for me, when you think i coded this because I like to crash this community, then you are obviously wrong. When you say, I do this unintenionally, I say you do it unintentinally with this at least just as well, even if not far more.
Quote #8: I've talked about this with the devs and they say that it is about time, IRL and mostly organization. A system for applying patches is in the early state of thinking and will hopefully be in place as soon as possible. Until then please bear with the people who ideally create this game taking time from the rest of their lives that they could have used in so many other ways.
I don't ask for a system (a system again something i suppose to contorl people) but just a f**** little post, "ah yes, nice patch, will look at it later". If you don't have the 5 seconds to write this little sentence you obviously don't care about people writing patches, and unintentinally want to stop or you are just generally really bad handling with people.
Most opensource projects out there, far greater in size than teeworlds, did already years very well without a dedicated 'patch system'. Remember the linux kernel 8 years they just worked with diff and patch. then bitkeeper now git. Where git is actually a very very enhanced version of diff and patch.
Well I dont complain on this further, I just decided not to give patches anymore, so dont complain at me either I'm not doing it this way. It is eithway a two-way street.
I hope the thinks I've said hasn't made you angry on me, as I'm just expressing my thoughts and wishes as I want teeworlds to be pleasant for both players, artists and coders... 
Now I'll try to stay out of this thread, so do no personal attacks that will make me come back and haunt ya'. 
you *beep*ish *beep* of *beep*
btw. long post ftl 
Long posts for the win! I know the attention span of todays people is getting shorter and shorter, but this shouldn't make one giving up writing posts with real content.
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