1 (edited by azmeuk 2008-05-16 21:14:25)

Topic: Something against team killers

Hello world
Sometimes there are people who spend their time to just kill players on their teams. It is very annoying. The other players can't do anything to stop them, and the game isn't fun anymore.
I think some things can be done to stop that:
- Voting system to kick, or ban temporarily a player.
- Punishment system . For example a player who do more than 3 teamkills in one minute can't use his weapons during thirty seconds, and if he doesn't understand, during one minute etc. As it is very frustrating I think it should make teamkillers be quiet. And please make this option enabled by default.

Something really have to be done against teamkillers.
What do you think of those ideas ?

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Re: Something against team killers

true ... je n'aime pas ça aussi

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Re: Something against team killers

hmm... very good ideas and it iss right that the game isn´t fun anymore but i am agains a voting systhem.
But the other idea (Punishment system . For example a player who do more than 3 teamkills in one minute can't use his weapons during thirty seconds, and if he doesn't understand, during one minute etc. As it is very frustrating I think it should make teamkillers be quite. And please make this option enabled by default.) is a good idea i think wink

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Re: Something against team killers

Hmm, It's been a long time since I played a team game (iDM now)
But as I remember, there was no friendly fire. Am I getting crazy ? yikes

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5 (edited by azmeuk 2008-05-16 21:12:37)

Re: Something against team killers

Friendly fire is often disabled, but some servers (for example those which use instagib mod) enable it...

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Re: Something against team killers

azmeuk wrote:

Friendly fire is often disabled, but some servers (for example those which use instagib mod) enable it...

maybe there is the problem...

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Re: Something against team killers

What do you mean ?

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Re: Something against team killers

Or maybe they're using Instagib 1.0 in which the code doesn't check if a shot is friendly fire or not.

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Re: Something against team killers

But that's not really the topic. Friendly fire can be enabled on normal servers too. I've just talk about Instagib server as an example...

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Re: Something against team killers

As far as i'm concerend it's a bug and already fixed.
Check the forum, i think i saw it somewhere.

The server hosts just didn't update i think.

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Re: Something against team killers

Of course not. It's not a bug but a feature smile
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12 (edited by Captain AMN 2008-05-17 00:16:10)

Re: Something against team killers

no comment lol

Edit: All french ppl i know use Ubuntu =/

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13 (edited by Rajh 2008-05-17 01:56:32)

Re: Something against team killers

Ubuntu and me don't xD (ArchLinux)

It could be easy to make a mod for this 3 team kill in less than 1 minute imoor ban temporarily a player.

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sv_tkpunish: Team kill limit. If the player doesn't kill a friend in 30 sec his number is reset. When the limit is reach, The team killer is killed. If he does it 3 times he is kicked.
0 to disable.

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Re: Something against team killers

I often team kill by accident, especially on crowded servers.

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Re: Something against team killers

azmeuk wrote:

What do you mean ?

The problem is people turning teamkill on. You just can't play with teamkill on and random groups. Teamkill only makes sense in clan wars or so, where the groups know themselves.

Cure the cause and not the symptom.

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Re: Something against team killers

catpaw wrote:

Cure the cause and not the symptom.

Stupidity and antisocial behaviour is unfortunatly not a disease, one can cure. sad

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Re: Something against team killers

catpaw, if I want to play with the teamdamage on, I don't undestand why I should not. The problem isn't here, as Landil said the problem is player stupidity...

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18 (edited by catpaw 2008-05-17 14:32:52)

Re: Something against team killers

azmeuk, teamdamage is turnoff-able, because it is a horror when you play with random groups.

Really you can't expect to throw people together at random, and have them behave like a good team. Vote-Kicking will not solve this. If you play with randoms just turn off teamkill. If you make a "professional" game, turn it on. But then you will have a mod online nevertheless, and wont have to resort to things like vote-kicking.

Reminds me of the, doctor my face hurts when I punch in it... please make it stop hurting. joke. Turn teamdamage off, problem solved, or why did you think this option was there first place?

19 (edited by azmeuk 2008-05-17 14:59:37)

Re: Something against team killers

First I'm not the admin on most of the Internet server, so I can't turn teamdamage on or off. There are so few "good servers" (good ping, good maps, people you like on) that I don't want to leave those which enable teamdamage, and ... I think playing with team damages is interesting.
I just don't share your point of view, even with random teams teamdamage can train you to don't shoot everywhere and everything that moves, but focus on your enemies. You think it's an horror, you can, then play on server that turn teamdamage off. But let me play on the other servers if I want.
But that's not the point, I'm just asking for something to get rid of stupid people who profit of the teamdammage to annoy every other player and I think the punishment system I proposed could be effective...

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Re: Something against team killers

You can play on the servers you want. Just let others play there too :-)

Well from my experience with others games, vote-kicking is just so often abused... (e.g. Armagetron)
After a short while, the kids will tend to kick their teammates, not just because they are teamkillers, but soon kick anybody that doesn't play to their standards... you'll soon have a game thats a horror for newbees to get involved in. Then they kick new people just for the lols...

If you don't limit it to kick your own team, how often would it result into kicking the opposing flag carrier?

When in teams, how many people do you need to kick someone? If its 2vs2, 1 can kick another?

Or people will start to kick "campers", because they consider that "uncool".

Or germans kids will start to kick french, because they speak so funny wink

No, vote-kicking is a horror, much worse than teamkillers.

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Re: Something against team killers

With rajhs patch more than 50% of the player need to vote /yes, before so will be kicked. That's truely fair and it does work.

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Besides -  I am the gfx guy!

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Re: Something against team killers

Landil wrote:

With rajhs patch more than 50% of the player need to vote /yes, before so will be kicked. That's truely fair and it does work.

Play armagetron a while, and look how it is used by the playerbase.

23 (edited by azmeuk 2008-05-17 15:19:07)

Re: Something against team killers

catpaw I'm agree with what you said about voting...
But the punishment system I talked about isn't a voting system. It's something that handicap an frustrate the team killers. As I said if someone kill, for example, three teamates in one minute, he can't use his weapons during thirty seconds, the second time during sixty seconds, the third time during ninety seconds etc... (and this could be disabled for clan wars etc).
The server have to remember who is punished to make a punished player unable to reconnect the server during his punishment. Because I suppose punished people'll want to disconnect and reconnect to get rid of their punishment...

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Re: Something against team killers

Or a group of 4 red-tee kiddies just decide to kick the 3 blue ones. Vote kick, and baff one after the other is gone. Really vote-kicking is a can of worms you don't want to open, if you think it through, and you know how players are.

Handicap for teamkilling sounds funny however. So if you want it, show us the code wink This should be doable with a mid-complicated server-mod

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Re: Something against team killers

Well I can have a look to the code if the Teeworlds team agree this idea. I don't want to do another mod that is not officially supported tongue.

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