Is the development of teeworlds slowed down? (Page 2 of 2)

Thanks for the answer, Oy.

Ok understand good luck!

P.S: DDNet is literally eating Teeworlds. You should ask yourself why ...

I disagree. The game mechanics may be solid but the UX is nowhere near perfect. There is always ways to move forward, to improve things, maybe add a new thing here, simplify other things. If you just want to leave things like they are, keep maintaining the current version and let the rest move forward. (No, that does not imply making things mod-friendly necessarily.)

How is DDNet anti-Teeworlds? I don't know a lot about it; I'd assume it just adds the features it needs.

While that surely is a possibility, forking was never a good idea and should only be done as a last resort. I'd prefer to see Teeworlds improve and grow more mature.

What do you say about Heinrich joining you as a core maintainer and moving forward?

Of course there're things that could be improved or polished.

Yeah.

In the 9 years I'm around here it has been done couple of times.

That's not going to work as we're not on the same page. And if you can't trust someone to do the right thing it just ends up in a waste of time.

Remember the 80s - good times

Tbh, the only way would have been to fork teeworlds with fresh ideas and a new "head" (when it was still somewhat alive, around 3 years ago).
It was said multiple times that "this game fits KISS and is perfect".
Honestly, it is dead and that is the reason. Time changes and so the players do. There was never any real incentive to adopt to new techniques, ideas and generations.

On the other had, a fork would mean splitting up the player base, drastically changes (for the game and the players) and a lot of work. Without any "ROI" noone would be willing to throw that much lifetime into it.

Actually i would love to just drop everything here and start a new. Keeping the code base, getting a new github, get a new forum, giving this stinky, dead fish a new head, making some great plans and getting shit done. But I am not the one to do it (but i would like to be a part of it). I am really sorry to see it ending this way. Maybe we should do a poll and decide, as a community.

"game engine" ... again this... Teeworlds game engine? ofc... drop Unity, Unreal Engine, Game Maker, ... Teeworlds is here!!!! no men... all of this is because is a 2D game? How many games you know that can be modded and you not tell it "game engine"?

DDNet is different... but is Teeworlds... all the base is teeworlds... if i improve some parts of this base why i can't try to do a PR in teeworlds?

What's the matter ? Is this about KISS, tee-ishness, workflow, personal... ?

I agree with @necropotame that is similar to say by @jxsl13 but less disruptive... and with @BeaR ... Teeworlds need some infraestructure to work.

But teeworlds base finished? I have lags playing this game...

We have an outdated netcode because Teeworlds isn't a network engine..
We have an outdated mod support because Teeworlds isn't a game engine...
We have an outdated map editor because Teeworlds isn't a map editor...
And continue... but we have cool graphics thx to artist!!

I'm not saying that we must keep compatibility or not. I'm saying here that the community should stay here and try to made something better alongside vanilla. Like, there is two TeeWorlds: one made by Oy, and one by the community. I think that it's normal that some fork can get visibility in the official forum/website/download page. Since Heinrich is in charge of the forum, it's technically possible. And it's just a way to promote alternative versions without dropping the vanilla game.

I think it should be just a test first, because we don't know yet where to go, who is involved and how much we can work on it.

NB: When I say "we", I don't really talk about me as a part of the team. I've no time to work on a third project. I can however sometime create PR.

Wise words you speak here...wise words...

I think we should move away. I think no one if use plays vanilla cause it's such a great game. You play vanilla cause it's "eh.... Vanilla". And you play vanilla because although we have all these caveats there are a few really nice things in the game mechanics that you learn and that challenge you when playing.

Is teeworlds dead? I don't think so. I'm counting 1000 servers and sooo many players. Yes, I'm also talking about ddnet, because ddnet is some kind of co-op, but still teeworlds  (thanks for pointing that out). Besides, I know a projects that are a lot more dead (haha) and still work kind of for years (one example would be Ace of spades classic. Someone made openspades a few year ago and it's still living).

Besides, I think steam was the wrong way, or let's say steam isn't compatible with Oy .  We got a considerable large impact (?) on the Player base, but almost none in here right? (partly wild guesses, excuse me if I'm wrong). So this "community wants" isn't just about us, it's also about the new "generation" that uses steam. Teeworlds was already old fashioned when I joined (way before I found out there was a forum ) but I remember the people were a bit old-fashioned too and it was funny playing an old-fashioned game with old-fashioned people. Has some kind of retro style. Well, nowadays it's playing with average 12 year old, definitely not old-fashioned people an even older-fashioned game. That's not funny anymore.

I would also be open for helping with the development, but I have rarely experience with c++ (minor problem) but teeworlds source is way too complex to be understood by me (or even part; major problem). So if anybody got the patience to help and guide my, I could probably be some help

But back to the topic: Heinrich is a good decision, I think. But let's fork and move on. Pull requests back to original teeworlds isn't a good idea I think, Oy could always pull our source if needed.

Hi, development of sofware with good features is very difficult work, and contributing to an existing code base is even more difficult. If its still not clear to you, go and try to add features...