Is the development of teeworlds slowed down? (Page 1 of 2)

When there will be no players, we will bury it, but something tells me it's not before long. Don't bury things alive, it's not cool.

It definitely doesn't look good. It hasn't in years. There is no leadership, no direction from the official side. In fact there isn't even any leader. There's Oy, designated as maintiner, but that's about it; and even he is hardly around. And, of course, Dune and Heinrich are taking care of the forum. To get Teeworlds back on track, someone would have to take initiative and lead the project. And I'll tell you, it won't be me. I could imagine it to be Oy or Heinrich, but that's up to them; it'd definitely require some investment of time (planning of new releases and improvements toattract players again; more high quality content on the forum also wouldn't hurt). But that won't happen on its own…

Sorry for the pessimistic outlook, but that's how it looks like to me.

Software development is hard work.
Contributing to an existing code base is even more difficult.
1h per month won't get anything done.

If its still not clear to you, go and try to add features...

I work as a doctor and I declare teeworlds dead.

Just kidding, however I agree, it really is pretty frustrating for community creators to produce new content.

We heavily need more people to have the rights to approve pull requests on github.
As I can see there are a lot of capable developers in this community and a lot of people who are willing to keep this game alive and try to participate in improving it.
I suggest at least adding a few more people( Heinrich and Dune, I'd love to have unsigned char* as well in that development, because he is full of constructive ideas) who're actively developing this game to be added to the "admin" list on github.

We need a new forum sub-forum called Pull-Requests with lots of community polls going on, where the community can take part in promoting and convincing the admins to pull those requests.
I would suggest people, who are waiting for their github PRs to be approved on github, to do some promotion work in that sub-forum (Pull Requests) and explain what that pull request introduces, what features, what improvements and whatever else, which could be interesting for players/mappers/ server hosters.

"work in progress" / WIP should be a teeworlds meme.

I am also frustrated by the current development situation.

I think it would be good if we could add at least one active person other than Oy to the developers. I would like to try this if I was allowed to, but I'd be equally happy to have any other active person in that role. That person should be sufficiently reachable; this is currently a big problem we have in Teeworlds development: No active development discussion happening, developers rarely meet on IRC etc.

I think we immediately need to improve the experience for new developers, as it is currently very hard to get a working Teeworlds build out of the source code IMO. When I compiled the release artifacts for the latest release, I had problems on both OS X and Windows, where the build only worked after applying a few tricks that someone new to Teeworlds development probably wouldn't think of. This hurts the community, as many potential developers might go away. Another thing that we need to improve on is response time on pull requests. When I opened an easy pull request on some repository on GitHub and it was responded to within one day, I was definitely happy about that. Compare that to pull requests that have been lying dormant for over three years on the Teeworlds repository, like #1086, essentially without response from an official developer.

Thanks for creating this topic, unsigned char *, I have also thought about creating one for a long time. Btw, I think this is still the same situation as back when this topic was last discussed: Landil's post, Sushi's post. And it's been five (!) years since then.

That was needlessly angry.

I agree with heinrich. It's not so much about asking to step down, but really about finding an alternative. Oy is doing a good job in my opinion, but his activity is very sparse (understandably).

Needlessly aggressive, yes, but maybe to get the message across.

But anyway, forks can be made by anyone, the thing isn't that we need admin access to the repo, the thing is that we (junior devs compared to these dinosaurs) need to unite. Several mods were made because of this issue, basically, and most of them were abandoned too. Consider teeuniverse as a starting point. Not necessarily every decision has to be made to be *mod friendly!!11!* and I'm sure there will be some hard-liner but that's OK. But it isn't good if 3 people try to do it but everyone on their own.

This is also a message to you @necropotame (gosh I hate it that you can't mention ). Please be a bit more open to suggestions that are less mod friendly and to all of you, people, please be a bit more open to mod friendliness

I agree with Schertspitze, this game lives mostly because of the many mods, that exist, that's why it has to be a bit more mod friendly (Y).

The main problem is just that nobody, who is capable of reviewing pull requests has the time to review them. That's why they need new people there as admins.

Edit: A great help would be m!nus if he added a new subforum for pull requests

Happy to see that are people interested in keep Teeworlds alive...

Stuff that can be good:

1. Create two work groups
   - Mantainers: Write access
   - Collaborators (by operating system): Promote PR's, Run Tests

2. Create a list with mantainers and collaborators (in all repos of Teeworlds).

3. Create a collaboration guide...
   - Code style
   - PR style
   - General rules (features not wanted, system used for PR management, ...)

4. Use forum for dev discussions (Is this feature necessary? Need update this library? etc.. questions and promote new collaborators)

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First of all is consolidate a work group.... second write the general rules (collaboration guide)... At this point the discussions could be channeled to start work.

P.S: Thx for mention me, but others have better skills and can use best the english I have time for be an "collaborator" if like.. and this goes forward