The Great Vanilla Revival Initiative: Discussion (Page 4 of 5)

Still soon or later they play official gametypes

point was not that no one ever did nigga pls

Where did the irony go? i only saw a poorly attempt to be sarcastisc!
The quest is to make vanilla grow, not getting players to become "pro".
You also used school, jobs etc as examples. i skipped it as soon as i realized it did not make any sense.
I skipped everything after that too, so i dont even know what too reply. Am just gonna assume you dont know what you're talking about.
you are wrong, i am right!

If you are not willing to help vanilla to grow, why are you even here, HeroiAmarelo?
Please stop your endless discussions and hate-speech on vanilla, thanks.

Oh and because I just read an earlier post by you:

The Vanilla Revival Initiative was not a developer project. Neither the tournament(s) were. And the goal is to make vanilla more attractive, while you are obviously trying to fight it.
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Btw do I still feel that nothing changed so far. You still can't just jump into an 3vs3 match on ctf3, you have to wait 45min to get (with some luck) into an cap game. And this is one of the worst problems imo.

No, it did work. And it's working. The thread is just here to encourage players to try it again. You can't presume of people's history with TW from your own.

Slayer is right to tell HeroiAmarelo2014 to stop bringing nothing positive to this discussion. Clearly, as he said more times than I care to count, he is not the target audience and is not bringing anything new here. Basically he's just trolling. We're all fine with him considering Block or whatever mod being superior to vanilla. He's entitled to have his personal tastes, just as we're entitled to have our own and have a discussion without constant nay-saying from someone who explicitely says he's not interested.

As for me, I find that the call has been very effective so far. In one year, we have been able to have so many more large scale vanilla games, and the vanilla activity exploded, compared to the year previous to posting the original initiative thread. I have met many players that are now regulars in vanilla who specically told me they were motivated to come because this thread made them reconsider.

There's no "one size fits all". There are also many players who are happy to play several gametypes and mods. There is no will or wish to "convert" people, this isn't a religion. This is just meant to tell people about how fun vanilla can be, and if some people (like HeroiAmarelo2014) don't like it, then they can just move on, end of story.

The Vanilla Initiative Tournaments organized mostly by Slayer were another factor getting people to have a look at vanilla and I appreciated them, even if they didn't go as smoothly as one could have hoped, we can hope they will keep going and that experience will help a better organization. In any case, last year has seen many more vanilla clan wars and captain games than the year before. And much more "new blood" coming from ctf5 or instagib than previous years.

Again, there's no point in generalizing. Many old players came back (including some I wish hadn't ) because they left in the first place because of the general low levels of activity & lack of new blood. Things having changed for the better, many of them are back. Again, there's no point talking about those who are not interested. The fact is, many came back, new clans were created.

Depends on what you call success or failure. Many people found the initiative was a failure, but I don't really know what their expectations were. Vanilla was really in a sad state when I wrote that post, and it's much better now. I hope it keeps on getting better, but since I've been asked so many times, yes I feel the situation has drastically improved.

Finally, a point that has largely, but not entirely failed, is getting the ctf5 community to become self-conscious as a community (rather than random players) and organize itself, or spawning a separate mid-level community. Currently the vanilla community is still largely split between "disorganized" (ctf4 for noobs, ctf5 for midlevel) and "organized" (clans & cws, captain games) ranging from midlevel to high-level.

As I've been saying all along, this is not up to the current "organized" ctf community. I'm precisely saying the regulars of that ctf5 community, once it would become organized (by talking among themselves or wanting to change their situation), would have to start their own servers and make it happen. Most probably most don't want it, and it's fine. Maybe others do, and they just need to know they won't be alone in this. You could also try to make it happen, if you find the current situation inadapted to your gaming hours or level. Some ctf5 players don't want, others do want. Some switched over already (notably binx who posted before, but many more ; it's how the whole EVIL clan started to organize itself actually, years ago).

About finding games: most of the time these days (and it was clearly not the case the year before the vanilla initiative post), I can find an organized game within 10 mins after I join (mostly in the late afternoon / evening), and I've tried once or twice with fake names to see if it worked too. It's a bit harder, but if people know you can move and understand ctf, you can play. Usually dm1 is a good place to show your skill level, and if your opponents are in the capgame and you did good enough, they will usually call you.

Also, there are usually several active servers for organized games at the same time these days, I'm pretty sure you can camp any gV dm1 server to find an opponent and little-by-little get enough players to grow to 2x2; 3x3, etc. That's how the daily games get "bootstrapped" everyday.

mission accomplished *close thread*

Gnah. Last year: 365 cap games on ctf2 (only each second day, 2 games). This year: 1086 cap games on ctf2 (everyday, 3 games, minus 3 days where the tournaments were ofc!). Are the figures ok for you? [/sarcasm]

@HeroiAmarOfftopic: Laser is imba and too powerful, but nvm.

@Magnet: Even if the situation got better for the little highlevel scene. I am still worried about the mid level scene. Sure it depends on its own will to organize itself, but it seems to be missing It seems like they don't want to hook up with some buddies to play with..

We should define "organized" first
I was talking about clans n stuff. It doesn't mean they will only play cap games all the time..
But yeah, organizing teams/clans can be very time consuming, probably that's why most mid level player think it isn't worth.

This whole discussion is not just pointless but also extremly far from reality.

The best and probably only way to help vanilla would be helping TW itself.

It's just like with the communism: Why bother discussing distribution if there is not enough to distribute?

TW needs more players. You should start discussing how to achieve that.

I was about to answer to your post in detail. However, I don't really see the point. Your comment is just...well. I already stated it when I commented on the topic "A Dream" (which btw. is about steam and tw): At the bottom line I simply do not care what happens to TW. I played it actively for about a year but quit on it 2-3 years ago. Since then I only play it on rare occasions. I solely posted here because I believe that it will be a shame if TW ultimately declines completely. Therefore I won't be the one to invest his time to discuss any detailed ideas. I only suggest that the people who invest their time anyway (like you) set new priorities for this forum (How to get more people to play TW?).

If you don't recognize the (urgent) need of discussing ways to make possible new players interested in TW then that's a shame for TW but fine with me.

If the only answer to

you can think of is

then it's probably pointless to go into discussion with you anway.

+1

Still impressive to see,who's brwosing the forums from time to time.