How to get more players (Page 2 of 2)

since this topic is reopened i expect answer from you landil.

just give out a link, or name the reasons yourself, but as i said i did not hear a single logic reason for not making those mods official except for diificulties in coding or time issues, which were both declined by you.

currently I am playing very actively ctf and dm (watch out for ctf4 vanilla servers)

As you already know what i think on your first point (scroll up to see my answer on this) lets directly move to the second. thats actually a good and logic reason, noone wants to force you do spent your time in certain ways. still that does not explain why you do not accept other peoples work in your code and just distinguish between different gamemodes.

also want to say how important school is for your life, you should not skip even if other kids say its cool. please do go to school, not for me but for you, later youll realize that it was worth it.

this shows best how subjective this topic is, for you it is i know, but not for me.
your comparison is bad because thats not a subjective decision, there are criteria for acceptance that does apply for drinking but for other sports like healthiness, which is a logic reason not to accept it.

Disagree! In most countries school is a failed realization of a not so bad concept that prevents younger people from doing better and give their lives a meaning. It forces an open-minded, curious human being into a pattern of a functioning, working, consuming pabulum.

BTT: DDRace is not Teeworlds. Thus there need to be a big advantage. But lets see:
The current situation is: there is dm, tdm and ctf and you can play ddrace.
Situation after making ddrace official: there is dm, tdm and ctf and you can play ddrace.
There is no real advantage of making it official. Except maybe that the overloaded, unperformant ddrace gets some improvments - like removing everything but the freeze blocks.

But what if the developers decided to go with ddrace, what's with all the other mods? Instagib, catch, zombie, ... . Why don't add them, too? They are for sure at least as great as ddrace! We definitely need to include every mod into Teeworlds![/irony]

Teeworlds is extremely simple, teeish and cute.
DM/TDM: fight and kill the most
CTF: grab a flag and capture it

DDRace is more of a "this-looks-so-cool-we-should-put-this-in-and-this-and-also-this". It's a fun, casual game, but is definitely not on the simple but very clean quality of vanilla.

Haha, I like Teelevision's argument: if ddrace will become official, nothing will be changed (for players), or maybe even become worse: slower development (teeworlds server updates with client only), some ddrace features might be lost (if devs will find it bad for teeworlds).

This thread is about how to get more players. DDRace may cause more players while it exists. Devs are not againist DDRace existing, so there is no problem.

So, by the thread I'd like to ask: does Teeworlds need more players?

Imo, More game servers -> more players. More servers -> more masters. More masters -> more time of developers teeworlds requires. Devs already don't have much free time -> they don't want more players. Am I right?

LOL'd.

To the general sentiment about adding DDRace, it would have to be revamped because today DDRace is hackish (prediction problems with freeze zones etc).
And the DDRace maps are not teeish (because they're using most of the time the smallest tile). I feel DDRace is too far from the expected Teeworlds experience as it is today.
And that's not a priority. Race could be added earlier.

I think we should welcome non-fighting gamemodes as long as they preserve Teeworld's standard physics tuning, provide enough interest to players and most of all fit TW. People should be able to play different gametypes and feel at home instead of playing only the same gametype all the time.

However, getting more players & keeping them is certainly a priority, but it has to be balanced with keeping the game competitive and interesting for different skill levels. And our priority is indeed combat-oriented gametypes, & team modes involve collaboration as well.

PS: we have plans for the future of TW, we're talking, it's not like we've given up.

Thank you for this post, you gave two reasons that seem legit to me why not to add ddrace.
i also noticed the first (its a real issue) and adressed it in the ddrace topic:

go here to see whole post/discussion https://www.teeworlds.com/forum/viewtop … 67#p108567.

i admit that i never actively though about the second reason, although the maps i like most (Totoro and Autumn) are also the ones which use this classic design much more often than other ddrace maps. i understand this problem and also the problem in fixing it. while there are many parts that can be redesigned normally without much difference, 1 tile layers are also essential for many other parts.

I really like your attitude.

it was said before that there would not change much if ddrace becomes official which is true for a short period.
there are 3 reasons i want ddrace to become official. first the developers could take a bit care of it (e.g. to fix the first problem which is a problem in code not in design).
second to let them choose some good standard maps which player can orientate in design/gameplay (i basically share their understanding of teeish and would like to see more maps going in that direction - most vanilla maps have appropriate design, many ddrace maps hurt my eyes in that point and the reason is the lack of official templates).
last but not least i think a modable game that offers fighting multiplayer, coop and single player sound much more attractive than a fighting game with some mods to new players, which is a reason why we discuss in this topic.

I am posting this here because of the vanilla revival thread and Magnet said not to litter his thread with client feature ideas.

Discussion Stuff
I said it before so i'll just be quick. I think there learning curve for vanilla is quite steep and as Magnet has said, it is not fun to and naturally people tend to play things they are good at or get a reward for.

The post for the vanilla revival initiative is nice and may encourage a few players who have given up on vanilla due to bad experiences to give it a second shot, but it will not change the minds of those who lost interest or never had interest in it in the first place. Many people are not self motivated and are not willing to try something solely for the "challenge". In addition, for a quickfix like the teeworlds initiative to work, an incredibly large foundation of players would have to be a part of this "movement" for the vanilla scene to grow on its own and not stagnate again. The core issue is in the game itself and not things such as an uninviting player-base (that is part of the issue however). Players just gravitate towards what is naturally fun and rewarding for them and if subjecting themselves to an incredibly steep learning experience just to take part in a relatively small community was fun and rewarding enough, we would not be having this problem. The previous sentence contained horrible logic and I am sorry.

The forum post is inspiring however I believe the vast majority of players will not see the post or even get to make the decision if they want to participate in the challenge or not. In my opinion the only way to communicate with most of the players is through the game and make them want to play vanilla again. 
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Old ideas and new ideas...
These features are suggested because I believe vanilla has nothing over other mods other than the satisfaction you feel superior to other players. Vanilla also offers fast paced action and deeper competitive gameplay than other gametypes however many vetarans forget that new players don't get to experience that until they reach a certain level. The features may or may not encourage more players to stick around so that the vanilla community can slowly grow again.

Reward / Progression-centric
Ladder
-Pub games
-Clan ranks
-1v1

Achievements for:
-Participating in official tournaments
-staying active in ladder

Level up progression
-meaningless but does keep grinders playing and interested
-better performance, more rewards
-badges for achievements
-badges to promote active play
-badges can be shown off on profile MUST be visable
-have leaderboards for badges received
-will maybe cause some people to feel invested in teeworlds and keep playing rather than just dump this random game with cool hook physics for something else that gives more reward

Embrace instagib
-New-player-friendly combat gametype
-Lets new players feel like they are doing something while learning the basics of the weird aiming and unique hook physics of teeworlds

Learning Curve Centric
High-skilled gameplay trailer on homepage
-To inspire new tees

Tutorials
-viewable in client

Casual gametypes
-Promote elastic banding in a new game type

Solo vanilla related minigame challenges
-offline practice options for all levels (target practice/ race/ dummies)
-when there is no internet and people want teeworlds, they might as well try out the offline features
-make race official have challenges to receive rewards

Community Features
Ingame Regulated Chatrooms
-where else do mid level players meet without the hassle of running in between servers to organize games

Newsboard/ newsfeed
-for tournament announcements (to open up communication pathways)
-cap game gatherings

Obviously an insane amount of work would have to be put into the game just to make a few of these features work but this is just a dump of potential features that I wish teeworlds will eventually be and are features that i feel will allow vanilla to grow naturally. This does not mean I believe other methods will not work, these are just long term goals that I believe will make people gravitate the vanilla community by themselves.

All in all, this is an incredibly meaningless and bloated list to see if the developers would reconsider old ideas or like new ones. I think Magnet's initiative idea is great and I hope it creates new players. No need to discuss  the list as discussion rarely does anything productive anyways.

My concision needs work
I am clearly bored and have too much time
I wish I had the formatting skills and the ability to use clean bullet points like Magnet