1 (edited by Sushi Tee 2012-08-25 17:53:41)

Topic: [Poll] Settings menu skin size

As you may know, we are redesigning the menu. So now is the question which size the skins should have in the settings menu. We already heard some opinions and didnt come to any conclusion. Some people like the fat skins because it always has been this size. Other like the small one because it is the ingame size.
I personally prefer the small (ingame) size because it actually is the ingame size and by making the skins bigger in settings menu i do not see any more details which would be an argument for the fat skins.

As we didnt come to any conclusion yet... lets ask the community smile

here are 3 screenshots with the different sizes

small (ingame size): screenshot 1
middle: screenshot 2
fat (old size): screenshot 3

btw... actually writing why you vote for what would be great.

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I prefer the small size too, because it fits well to the new UI design.
Another positive aspect is that the degree of sharpness will be better... smile

3 (edited by Dune 2012-08-25 19:04:16)

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Would rather call it normal, big, and super big. I'll choose the smallest one for the reasons you quoted.

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i've voted for small/normal

though i like the 3rd screen most, it's just logical to show the actual ingame size
even if you may see some more details in the big menu, you won't see them ingame, so they are unnecessary details

btw. why i like the 3rd screen most is because they aren't so many tees side by side
dunno but i can keep better overview of the skins there
maybe you can change it ^^ replacing the preview  of normal and teamcolors to the side or something like that

5 (edited by yemDX 2012-08-25 21:15:20)

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Why not just scale the size depending on the number of skins you have so it fills the entire box?

Of course if you have like 5000 skins or whatever stupid amount, just use the smallest.

Or even just make small/medium/large an option.

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I like the small size, because I personally believe, it fits best into the new slim, modern menu style.

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yemdx: its not really about the list... its about the size in general so also about the size of the preview on top

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I'm not sure whether small or medium. I voted medium to give it a go, but everyone seem to like the smaller more. Anyway, gamesize is the answer if you're still out of conclusions. smile

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does the sizes makes any difference in game? so.. i see nothing special in this vote (the screenshots) xDD
its all the same... only the number of tees in a line changes.. lol .. what is the matter of this ?
if the new skin system really comes out, the big one would be better to see the tatoo and bla bla (differences between the skins while u choose the parts of the tee)..
but i seriously see nothing special .. any size is good -.-
regardless on the size in game settings, the result in game will be same [...] !!!
for me this change seems useless , but good that u wanna hear what others think about this before changing =]

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For the reasons you mentioned I was thinking and yea,I didn't vote for the big ones but I also think that the small ones are just too small.

Medium it is!

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I would choose the fat size, because simply the menu tab is about the player skin and people would probably like to see it in a bigger size to see it in it's full design and to decide whether they like it, or they want to change it. It's not like we need to save space in the menu.

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Ryomou Hentai Girl wrote:

its all the same... only the number of tees in a line changes..

the number of tees in one line is actually independet of the skin size. I just adjusted it in the most logical way. the vote is not about how many tees fit in one line of the list or where the skins are placed in the menu... just about the size.

GBKing wrote:

It's not like we need to save space in the menu.

well... actually we have the custom button at the bottom because we dont have that much space in the menu but the skin size doesnt count into this... soooo... yes


the argument to see the skin better for editing seems valid for me to some point but still... details u dont see ingame are useless to see in the menu.

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assuming 0.7 allows custom skins, i'd like more per row so you can see more at a time

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Or if you're (or the community) indecisive you could make a scroll bar with 3 fixed points so that the player can chose the size of the preview of skins wink smile

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Small tees are bad for looking small things =\

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UnoSkorpion wrote:

Small tees are bad for looking small things =\

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Sushi Tee wrote:

the number of tees in one line is actually independet of the skin size. I just adjusted it in the most logical way. the vote is not about how many tees fit in one line of the list or where the skins are placed in the menu... just about the size.

the argument to see the skin better for editing seems valid for me to some point but still... details u dont see ingame are useless to see in the menu.

This is what I said. If ingame there is no difference, this vote/topic is completly useless.
What I meant was: Would make sense to care about the size only for choosing the skin details - but if u say that we cant see the details also in game this topic gets even more useless.

I think the comunity should worry about more important things in the game Settings, for example the "Server Filter", which is killing the game right now. Since long time the community wasnt talking about changes in settings here at the forum and when I saw this topic I expected to see something important (I mean, something which can really helps the game to bring more players or make the people play more "what Teeworlds really is" or so). I am talking about the game design in general. The size of the Tees is really not important in this case, wont change how people is interacting with the game at all.

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@Ryomou Hentai Girl: Well, of course this is a little thing, but if the devs don't know what's best (even in this very unimportant case), why not ask the community...?

19 (edited by Ryomou Hentai Girl 2012-08-26 17:24:04)

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ghost wrote:

@Ryomou Hentai Girl: Well, of course this is a little thing, but if the devs don't know what's best (even in this very unimportant case), why not ask the community...?

Ehmm... at my first post over here: "but good that u wanna hear from the ppl in forum before..."
And yeah, I know.. this is just my opinion about what is going on right now with Tw... the forum is here for this, discussing ideas. And for me this will not change the future of the game.
Was just saying.
[...]

Edited: there are many other things which could help the game to change (interaction of the new players when they join the server filter or so) as i said in my eg. The new ones only see DDrace servers at the top of the list - they think Teeworlds is only that and they really dont know about other mods.. Most of them. The TW Team could make something which shows the players right after they join game which kind of gameplay/gametype/mods u have, and from there redirect the players to the servers related to what they have choosen before.. This would change completly the first contact between players + game and make ppl discover new Tee-worlds
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Broken wrote:

assuming 0.7 allows custom skins, i'd like more per row so you can see more at a time

The list for doing that is actually even smaller because of the lack of space but its ok because there are 6 of the lists. ^^
Anyway... again.. its not about this

Ryomou Hentai Girl wrote:

If ingame there is no difference, this vote/topic is completly useless.
What I meant was: Would make sense to care about the size only for choosing the skin details - but if u say that we cant see the details also in game this topic gets even more useless.

This poll follows a bigger purpose which is the reason i made this poll even though its only a small matter which is not really important even for me. I just voted for what fits best in the design and what makes the most sense for me.
Well... if u  think this is useless simply dont vote and wait for bigger things to vote about. wink

HeroiAmarelo wrote:

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pls stay out of this thread

Ryomou Hentai Girl wrote:

The new ones only see DDrace servers at the top of the list

That is not true because the default filter which is activated for new players only shows vanilla servers

Pls stop being OT... this is no discussion about what the community should decide. Its just a discussion about the skin size... nothing more... nothing less.

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We know that Mr. Sushi Tee !!!

I just justify my vote, sorry for this.
Didn't know that it was forbidden to say my opinion in a forum which is made for this.
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voted small

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This poll is actually kinda worthless since SushiTee's post is completely biased.

You give arguments about why smaller previews are better than larger ones but you don't give any argument about the other side... Your post is the only one that voters will read before voting. They can't make their one opinion before voting and are influenced by your post. Also, the lack of possibility to change our vote in the poll doesn't help. Finally using the word "fat" just encourages people to vote "small" as "fat" will be read as "too big" by most people.

About my opinion on the question, i voted for "fat" for a few good reasons.

First and most important point, I will compare the skins customizing process to a IRL make up.
When you make up you always make sure to be as close to the mirror as possible: the bigger u see yourself in the mirror, the more details you will see. It would be ridiculous to make up 3 meters away from the mirror, as you wouldn't be able to see every thing you would like to correct. It is exactly the same when you customize your skin: the bigger you see the tee, the more details you will see ; and you know your skin will be exactly like you want it to be if the skin preview is big. Obviously people don't come very close to you IRL to see every detail of your face and wouldn't notice everything, but all these details make a whole and you want to make sure you look as beautiful as possible. This is the same for skins: yes people will see your skin smaller ingame, but details will still matter.

I think this point prevails on every other point.
I'll just add that anyway there is enough place for "fat" skin previews as you can see in the screenshots provided by SushiTee.

Also i have seen some arguments in this thread about why "small" previews are better, and most of them are invalid in my opinion.

oaký' wrote:

though i like the 3rd screen most, it's just logical to show the actual ingame size

There is no way this can be a good argument and its not even logical. When you make up you don't go at the same distance from the mirror than from the people that will look at you.

oaký' wrote:

even if you may see some more details in the big menu, you won't see them ingame, so they are unnecessary details

Definitely invalid for the reasons i explained.

Zatline wrote:

I prefer the small size too, because it fits well to the new UI design.

This is hard to argue about this one as it's purely subjective. But shouldn't functionality always prevail on the look? I wouldn't mind a popup showing the tee taking half the size of the screen if it was possible, so that i can make my skin perfect. Obviously this is exaggerated because you don't need it that big because of the low number of details in a skin, but the idea is here. But yeah the "fat" previews look a bit too fat compared to the rest of the UI. What about increasing the text size by just a bit to compensate the difference and keep the functionality without letting the look aside?

Zatline wrote:

Another positive aspect is that the degree of sharpness will be better...

Honestly this is the best point i've heard so far because it matters so much. The "small" previews look way more sharp than the "fat" ones. sad
That said no-one ever complained about this in the 0.6 versions, and in 0.7 it is even sharper than in 0.6 with the same skin size (due to a few changes of the data files).

After making myself an opinion and hearing the arguments for both sides i really don't think making the previews smaller is a wise decision and i would consider it as a regression of the new menus/skins in 0.7 if this would get changed that way.

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if you cant see custom skins there i change my vote to big

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I agree with Choupom. If you create a vote, you shouldn't write your own opinion in the topic. But anyway, votes are pretty useless IMO, you should rather watch the arguments.