[COMPLAINT] Please legally sue bad mappers (Page 1 of 2)

lamefun, it's been a long time coming. Shut the fuck up. I don't care if this gets erased or I get banned. The only thing that comes out of your computer is shit.

I disagree with you, lame guy.
The reason is simple: You are not forced to play on any maps with secrets like secret passages.
People should have the power to use the imagination, doesn't matter if you like or not.
And what do you want to do anyway?
Hey Minus, heinrich, Kottizen! Can you please ban a server from the master servers?
Why?
Because it have a map with hookable unhookables.

But I like secret passageways! :-(  And with clear entities they are no longer secret -.-

But I totally agree with heinrich. He sees the problems but he is exagerating (red wavy under line....hmm bad spelling xD )

Instead of suing mappers educate them!!!!(infinite marks) This time focus not on the creation of maps themselves but rather on the quality of maps. Do the same with mods.

Wtf!
Look at most of the race maps: You can use the grass_main tileset for hookable AND unhookable tiles (both in one map)..I never heard somebody complaining about that.
Furthermore you can't sue new maps of guys who still learn how to make a good map - my first map was crappy too but I was proud of it!
In DDrace the yellow generics are often used for hookable tiles and it's ok imo. Each mod has his own standards which doesn't mean that the maps are bad and need to be sued!

My advice for you: Produce your own maps and follow your own guidelines!

But now they do!

Btw I think it's indifferent which tiles are used if the whole map looks good with it..

I agree that there is some problem with this. It's true that low quality custom maps often discourage people from playing custom maps at all, which is a bad thing in my eyes. However, I believe there is not much we can do about it. People are free to host their own servers with the maps they want on them (even if they are really bad) and this is not something that should change.

There was a project called "Qualitee" or similar some time ago which worked on exactly this problem. People could hand in their maps here on the forum and if they met certain criteria (i.e. some quality standards, like no graphic bugs, no hidden paths etc. were met) the map got the tag "QT" (I believe it was like this, don't be mad if I am mistaken). Servers which only hosted "Qualitee" maps were allowed to have the tag "QT" in the server name.

I think it would be a good idea to continue this project, but officially. We could implement something like a "quality maps list" that is automatically by the client retrieved from some server (e.g. the master server) and then the client will display a "QT" sign (maybe an icon or whatever...) in the server browser. This way you can at least find quality maps already in the server browser. People could apply for their maps to be listed on that "quality maps list" here on the forum (or somewhere else) where it will be reviewed by certain authorized people, (like moderators, official map developers etc.) who then judge if the map will be put in the list and if they accept the map, they will put the map on the list.

Please let me know what you think about this idea.

Hmm not bad but it would be not necessary for vanilla servers imo..players won't stop playing ctf1,2 and dm1 for a  vanilla map with QT sign..

I think we could make the map editor produce some warning when unhookables are used as hookables and for other such mistakes. It would ofc require some way for the editor to know which tiles are supposed to be hookable and which not. I guess an approach similar to the automapper one would work.

I fail to see what's wrong with these maps. Properly made maps with bad gameplay are OK, but maps with unhookable hookables, invisible death tiles, secret passageways must be legally sued for. My idea is, with copyright, tileset authors should mandate how their tilesets should be used, which tiles are hookable, which are unhookable, which tiles kill, etc. and legally sue mappers for failure to abide the conventions.

Sorry, but for gods sake, are you kidding...? Take the default teeworlds tilesets for example, they will be released under the creative commons license, which allows you to do much more than just use the tileset in a wrong way for a map.... And as I said before, this is not something we want. We don't want to limit people in the way they are creating their maps.

BTW: I think yemDX was kidding with his post...

Let's mutilate my cow, if it gives more milk, then it's good!