Team Death Match

HMMM they need to make it to where in TDM way bigger maps, i need time to think with my team, i like tactical maps witch someone should make and post here?
they don't like it probably because of (why i dont play alot) small maps, RIGHT next to each other! i need some time to think if im playing a TDM game, especially if ppl are on
my team, enough time to type, make a strategy, etc

+1 to nuby

CTF just appeals to more people. It's part of every community, a lot of people like one thing, and the other thing which has potential to be fun is left in the dust.

Also, maybe the reason CTF is more "shiny" is that it involves more strategy than TDM.

I'd say it's too much like CTF and DM. Like with mods, successful mods are outstanding mods. TDM is a mix between both CTF and DM so that's why most people don't play it much. I personally like CTF the best because it's more complex than both TDM or DM (like motioned before). Or I play DM because I feel like just killing people. So in no instance I want team up with other players to only kill people. There has to be a better reason, like capturing a flag.

If TDM was strategically different, like I dunno… similar to survival, I'd play it more. Each time someone dies, they don’t come back. Or each time a player on a team kill an enemy team player, they get to revive one of their own killed members. Whichever team last standing is the winner… The acronym might have to change but the gametype itself is pretty boring so that’s not much of a loss. Come to think of it, a new teaming up gametype could mean multiple teams, like 3 or 4. Now that would be interesting. o.o

So wait, does the player have the ability to carry only the nodes or nodes and flag? Or only flag? :\ I'm not quite sure what you are depicting.

Maybe SUR should become official

(S&D would be too complicated)

The main reason why TDM is uninteresting in Teeworlds is the lack of any really strong pickups, be it weapons, powerups or health/armour. Without those, there is nothing like mapcontrol, and without mapcontrol, TDM is nothing more than a fragfest without any real strategy. Of course you need fitting maps, too.

To get an idea how TDM is like in Quake, where it's even more popular than CTF (as far as Europe is concerned), check out this guide for example.

Anyway, that's why I made this mod with a friend once upon a time. Sadly, there is no up-to-date version of it currently, so I can only post the link as a contribution to this discussion.

Well what about making a simple thing like change the respawn time of the weapons for all gametypes.

Like Laser highest respawn time
then grenade
and then shotgun.

dunno if their is a difference in health/armor respawn and weapon respawn times

but maybe make armor respawntime higher than health  too ?

It´s like adding a little bit more value to all items and their ammo. Maybe this will decrease the often occuring spamfest too.

Oh Marik :3, you so crazy

KISS-wise all weapons should have the same respawn time, but it could be indeed a tad higher. Instead of different respawn times there should be different amounts of weapons and different risks for taking them. Ie. on a 4v4 map you can put shotguns on multiple easily accessible locations, but have only 1-2 rails and put them in hard-to-defend places that are a bit out of the way. A good example of this is dm2.

Actually, dm2 has many qualities of what would be a good TDM map in my opinion, and if I wasn't so busy with schoolwork I'd learn using the mapeditor just to rework it a bit. The upper side is stronger as it has positional advantage, laser and the now hopefully deadly katana, but it hasn't got much resources apart from a few weapons and some health. This means you must also visit the lower, weaker side to get some armor and more weapons. On the lower side you can stack up on armor and weapons to push towards the laser (a fairly easy steal as it's out of the way) and katana.

What could be made differently is the katana room (too easy to spam-defend as there are only 2 narrowish exits) and general movement and flow. Maybe more stuff would come up with playtesting, but that would require decent people willing to play totally new stuff instead of endless ctf2. And that is very unlikely, if the community is still anywhere close to how it was in my active days.

I don't think we should be talking about maps right now because even a' said, tdm is much like a fragfest. Changing the maps doesn't change to core concept of TDM. I think figuring out how to make dm competitive without making it complicated would be a way to do it.
I personally don't know how but one idea I had was having TDM have longer respawn rates and when one whole teams side is waiting to be respawned, one side wins.

Of course this would seem to be only a good idea for competitive players as it is harder for new players to catch prey so it probably is unsuitable for official gametype.

Also, finding a way to change gametype first before the maps may allow the ctf community and its mappers to improve their maps first.

What if we just had something where after x amount of deaths (note I said deaths and not kills) you are sent off and the objective would be the last team with a member wins? There would be an initial phase where it plays almost identically to current TDM but weaker players will eventually start to get sent off and the teams would have to react to losing their teammates. In the second phase it will start to come down to stronger players eventually getting down to a single tee on a team running for its life.

What nilaya said is pretty much SUR with lives

One thing i don't understand is how come tdm is popular in COD but not Teeworlds. People like ctf in teeworlds because of the movement but what is tdm supposed to be in teeworlds?