[MAP] ctf_hook[W-S]

Hello,

I feel like you just placed random one-tile blocks in the map, and performed some small fixes, adding flag respawn points and pickup everywhere you can.

Seriously, Teeworlds is NOT qaudratic. Teeworlds is about curves, teeishness. Do never map just drawing a quad and then trying to fill it with everything you can. You need to think to your map with a pencil and some paper. Indeed, that may look stupid, but this is the right way to start: turn off your PC, and draw your map on a paper. I don't tell you to draw nice pictures of white and blue clouds on paper, just approximately write down your ideas.

Try to make balanced maps, everyone can map "freak", "crazyness", but it's way harder to do nice maps. Don't say: "hey it's my first map and I don't care if you don't like it don't play it". About this specific map, you just discovered the editor and tried to "fill a quad". That's really bad for a map, but it's normal to start this way. Now you've discovered a little bit the teeworlds mapping tools, try following my advices, it's worth it, or at least I think so

Good luck,
Dune.

No maps should be random. If you agree with the fac your map is "a bit random", you agree your map is "a bit a fail". Randomness is never a good thing for gameplay gameplay, and everything is bad for gameplay is bad for the map.

Then you really understood nothing to what I wrote. It's NOT about drawing, it's about putting your ideas on paper. I'm worst drawer ever, can't even draw properly a stickman, but I still put ideas on paper before mapping, and you should do it, every mapper should do it.

You always can say "for me you need a lot of *** for managing this map" on every map, even the suckiest. You can say "hey we need a lot of experience on lost because you don't have anywhere to hook, it's really hard to dodge lasers when you can't move properly, lost is a pro map!!!". Don't say your map is good simply because it is hard on some points of views. The spirit of that map (if there is one, except random) is just to survive, and you did not study any velcoity ramp, there is not 2 or 3 paths to the flag, there's an infinite number of paths, and don't say "why not". You shouldn't have to fight against the map - look all the official ones. While playing this map, you most of the time have to hook everywhere and can't really aim and enjoy the real game - means picking up health and armor to survive while flagging, not being killed every time somebody hooks you, that also means speed, ground everywhere and no fear of dying just because you failed a hook.

I'm not flaming nor whining. Simply arguing on the points the mapper is discussing - like the randomness of the pickups, and I did not insult him at any point ; I know it's normal to start with this kind of map (quote: "it's normal to start this way") , that's why I'm trying to discuss with him on all the points that look incorrect to me, before people tell him: "Oh lol your map is so good but you should add ninjas on each block lol". It's kinda nice from him to post it here, why shouldn't we give him all the advices he need to quickly improve his mapping in place of encouraging him with mapping but not telling him all the points he need to fix?
Anyway, apologizes if I've been too rude, that was not my will.

well, gameplay might be good, but too simple for my tastes. also, it's not symmetrical, which means that one team may have a small/large advantage over the other.

Ya, of course you always start with "funny" maps - so did I - where you're just trying to map unusual things, weird paths just to have fun. But I'm pretty sure in some weeks/months you'll get bored of that kind of map - and then you'll probably try to map more 'seriously', to produce something you would play not because the map is weird - you get pretty fast bored of that, once you get to know your map - but something you would have fun to play simply because it's balanced and well-thought.

Alias: I precisely think it's not in his aims to have a symetrical map, with accurate balancing for the two teams. But that's true it's a nice advice to try to map a symetric game layer - though it's not needed in my opinion.

Good luck WhiteSlash for your next maps!

Edit: sampilot: who cares when it's truely not his map, he did not expect for congratulations when posting this map. It's not like if he had posted ctf_lava asking for comments on his map.

Edit2: WhiteSlash: "But, [ctf_space] map is becoming boring.". Yeah, that's what I told you, and yours will probably become boring after some time, that's what I meant