[ Closed ] [MOD] Teeworlds Z-Team Pack beta (Page 5 of 6)

scripting functions and auto-reconnect. That's all.

vry nice thanx

I think Magnet was totally right about removing the links to this mod, because it offers abusive features which give a player significant advantage/s over players with vanilla clients.

But I also think that this mod contains some useful features which could be merged into the official release, so in my opinion if you want to help develop this game why dont you join irc and talk with the devs about it. I'm sure you could agree on some features which could be added after the refactoring and if your code is clean it will be merged. That way you could make the game better instead of dividing the community between many client mods. In your topic about the upcoming features this was already said by a developer - void, so just do it. If you have already done it, then keep going.

Your work is appreciated and your mod is nice.
???? ????? ? ?????? // tons of love for Russia

Excuse me, but i have some answer. I think that it's limitation of players' freedom of choice. Also, i cannot understand why zoom in spectator mode is cheating (because nobody can do it in vanilla client without changing source code? But it's funny... Nobody can cut demos in vanilla client, but i don't heard something against it from you. So where's cheating and where's not?) and why auto-join is same as DOS-attack (even one request per second cannot fill all server bandwidth and so it cannot make server down).
About "fair features". If you want to play "non-fair" teeworlds, then remove all animations, sounds, textures, anything! It will be not teeworlds, but mega-hit "blue rhombus vs red pentagrams" or something like it. Games are "fair" by define.
Also i cannot understand, why teeworlds need refactoring. But okay, let it be, i'm not against it.
What about helping, i disapponted in it, especially after our last talk. Nobody likes when somebody name him "smart ass" and somebody else shout you (and just you!) "Stop trolling! Shut up!" Do you think, is it good behavior for moderators? I just wanted to find out what's what! For example, i asked about scripts. First answer was something about "No. It's cheating". After a some time, i see: "You could very well provide a limited access with scripting". Later: "Well I have nothing against lua, as long as you don't provide internal variables". And some time later i know that i can provide some internal variables. So what i can do, and what i cannot? (It was funny when we're speaking about team colored projectiles, yea? Why i must know game better than official developers? Except Matricks, of course...)
I want to know described limitations of mode making, that will be approved by all official developers, with reasons why it's prohibited, and these limitations will be opened for common discussion. I think, it will be fairly. So what?

P. S. Can i get answer, why only my mod was banned?

Rather lengthy message for little contents but maybe it's only due to your limited understanding of English. About zooming, I have repeated that the problem was with in-game PLAYERs zoom and not spec zoom. I have repeated it in IRC. Your lack of will to understand seems to be malicious from my side, but maybe it's indeed only related to limited understanding.

I have also made clear what constitutes illegitimate client behavior in a ruleset composed of 2 single and simple rules, which I have repeated a few times to you on IRC (after posting it here) and you continue to refuse to understand it. You also clearly misunderstood what I told you because at no point I was rude or called you a "smart ass" ; I was just tired of endlessly repeating the same and decided to leave a useless conversation because of the waste of time.

I also made clear what was OK with scripting and what was not. Rajh was here too and was complementing my point. About team colored projectiles, again, maybe you think you know TW better than other devs, you shouldn't laugh at someone when you're the one who's wrong just saying.

About talking about the conditions of what is legitimate / what is not, surely we could have another open discussion but it has to be open from your side too. If you refuse to understand any argument we provide we won't go anywhere. So far the rules have been easy:

#1: No useless resource consumption / automated input for stuff that is not automatic in the official client
#2: No gameplay-related features that aren't provided by the official client

REASON: We have to set a line somewhere between legit and non-legit. The only line that can be drawn is what the official client provides because it's the game as it is intended.

Finally, Z-Pack wasn't the only client with links removed. All clients that I know of that have features that don't correspond to the ruleset I posted earlier had their links removed.

Addressed earlier. This is not specific to Z-Pack nor to modded clients in general. It's specific to clients that have a feature that is illegitimate (here: auto reconnect / auto server join. Automatic input for server join falls explicitly into rule #1 "do not abuse server resources". It's a feature that only make afk people join servers and it's incredibly rude. It also triggers useless and *UNATTENDED* (that's the main point) server polling. We've been over this already and it's not MY crazy rule, it's been discussed).

PS: I'm fairly drunk, so I hope this message goes smooth.

Here we are not speaking about cleaning, but about the modifications that could see the client.
So what are you meaning ? That this "teeworlds refactoring" will only be code-side ? mostly ?

Teecomp has a lots of settings yes, but when you really start looking at them you realize that most of them are actually useless...

We don't heed 1000 useless options but some features that are not provided by the official client, excuse me if I'm wrong but I thought that this was the reason we use all those client mods and not the Original game?

Maybe some features are useless for you, but not for another one

Magnet, i have question There you're showing that you're playing TeeComp: http://qi.m0g.net/forums/viewtopic.php?id=89 How it related with your words that it will be good if all players will use official version only? Do you think that all TeeComp features are not "cheating" or "abusing" (such as auto demo recording that fill your disk space)?

Such a kindergarden . Don´t act like a child just accept the setted rules and provide client mods that are not acting against this

If Magnet intends to fill his harddrive space with his demos/screens who cares it doesn´t affect you?
If someone is acting funny and changes his skin like all 5 seconds it is totally annoying and disturbting the gameplay.
If like 100 people want a slot while browsing in the internet and try to join every it is server flooding -> lag for players
If someone auto joins the server while he is afk he is keeping a slot which could be used by a player who is in front of his screen and is able to play.
less active players on the server

Who will decide what is useless resource consumption, automated input or non-gameplay-related features?

Okay, easily:
1. Extended stat board and shadows under nameplates can be called "useless resource consumption"
2. Auto demo record and screenshots can be called "automated input for stuff that is not automatic in the official client"
3. HUD colors matching Tees' ones can be called "non-gameplay-related feature that is not provided by the official client"
I don't want to say "ban this too!" (i don't really think that it's "cheating"), i want to say "all is relative". One feature will be useless, abusing or cheating for one, but will be non-cheating and useful for another one.

It doesn't matter. Features that i listed above were in TeeComp at that time.

At the first, i want to see described, detailed rules, not this "make it and i'll select what is good and what is bad".
At the second... "Kindergarden", "troll"... Marik, Magnet, was it kindergarden or trolling?

Before this i just asked first time Magnet and Rajh about modmaking rules (so you mean that i'm exactly "smart ass"). I don't like when anybody try to show himself clever and humiliate me for nothing.
http://teeworlds.com/trac/teeworlds/sea … mp;wiki=on
Magnet, can you make something really useful or you can only ban and shout?

I'll continue discussion only when you write detailed rules or unban mods. That's all.