1 (edited by Lanta 2009-02-15 13:00:03)

Topic: clan tag & name stoler

Hi,
I'm Lanta, the NextGamers (N3G) italian community admin.

As many of you probably know, in the past we have changed our tag according to the multigaming we joined, and now, finally, we are N3G.

°RsT° (individual clan) => eQuiD (multigaming italian clan) => N3G (multigaming italian clan)

Today i have seen 2 new 0.5.1 server, hosted by zockerstube.net, for a new clan, the e|QuiD°.
! server 1on1 public, and 1 server with password. I've seen only Milan17 in the password protected server.
I hate tag & clan name stoler, so I want to know and to chat to this clan's admin...

Here is a screen:
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1772/teewars2009021511542639lk1.jpg

If anyone know something about this story write me here please... ^^ tnx

//edit: another screenshot with a new member ><
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4606/teewars2009021512135264mf2.jpg

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Re: clan tag & name stoler

Find him ingame. Easier, Faster and less clutter on the forums.

We will meet again when the flowers spread their glorious scent of victory and the birds sing us the melody of justice...

3 (edited by Lanta 2009-02-15 13:07:54)

Re: clan tag & name stoler

yes, but they are always in password protected server -.-
enough is enough...
this clan is not already posted in the clan's topic

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Re: clan tag & name stoler

lololol
he said he just waited till your clan renamed so he can use this tag... i dunno. He said he will read this thread later.... maybe ^^

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Re: clan tag & name stoler

Sushi Tee wrote:

lololol
he said he just waited till your clan renamed so he can use this tag... i dunno. He said he will read this thread later.... maybe ^^

QuiD/eQuiD is the name of an Italian multigaming clan, so he can't use this name, although we have changed tag...
And this is enough, because eQuiD clan got a big reputation...

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6 (edited by Lanta 2009-02-15 13:40:12)

Re: clan tag & name stoler

he wrote in my tagboard's forum:

hi..i want to speak with you..sry that we take your clantag but i liked it very much..but i think that i shoulld ask before..eehmm do you have any problem if we take your old tag??..

I anwer it here:

Yes, because QuiD/eQuiD is the name of an Italian multigaming clan, so he can't use this name, although we have changed tag... and this is enough, because eQuiD clan got a big reputation...

so change tag XD

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7 (edited by Azon 2009-02-15 13:56:40)

Re: clan tag & name stoler

Although this is always been a significant problem in Teeworlds, (I guess you aren't a "real" clan these days without having at least 3 clan name fakers) I think it's difficult to battle it within the current setting.

This case is especially difficult, because with them being on protected server they are not attempting to defame the first clan to the public. They seem to do this just because they prefer the name, and considering it's no longer taken this is a difficult case to prove your rights.

Therefor I think the main problem is that it's questionable how much rights you can have on a specific clanname, especially when it's no longer in use. Teeworlds has never officially supported clans. Strictly spoken people just started writing certain letter combo's in front of their name to show they formed an alliance. Certain clans got very professional, contributed a lot to the community and did develop a very good reputation. But it still remains a letter combination in front of a name. There's no "copyright" whatsoever on it.

To say you own a clanname, even when you no longer use it, goes a bit too far in my opinion. Teeworlds allows you to take any name you want, and to name your server anything you want. There's no serious clan scene like many other games do have, it are just groups of friends, playing together because they feel connected in on way or another. Peoples (clan)names can change dozens of times, but couldn't possibly hold on to the ownership of all these names. To say that people shouldn't impersonate your current clanname is perfectly just, things would turn into chaos if this wouldn't be a fact. But once you drop a certain "letter combo" it's free to the public.

As long as these people don't actively try to dishonor the reputation the previous clan had, there isn't much to complain about. Sure, they might not do as much as the old clan did, but the community knows that you moved on with your new name, and will discover by themselves that the clan that goes by the old name might not be exactly the same as it's predecessor. Your reputation will stay the same, because it moved together with you to the new clanname.

My advice is to friendly discuss this matter with the persons in question in game. If they are willing to conform to your suggestions then the problem might get solved. If they disagree though you better restore the reputation of the old clan by proving this with your new clan. You decided to change your clanname, just show the community that the people behind it didn't. Sure your old name might not live up to the reputation you once had, but then again, how much reputation could non-existent clan still have in a few months? At least in this way your name will stay alive and possible contribute something good in the future.

8 (edited by Lanta 2009-02-15 14:05:04)

Re: clan tag & name stoler

Azon wrote:

Although this is always been a significant problem in Teeworlds, (I guess you aren't a "real" clan these days without having at least 3 clan name fakers) I think it's difficult to battle it within the current setting.

This case is especially difficult, because with them being on protected server they are not attempting to defame the first clan to the public. They seem to do this just because they prefer the name, and considering it's no longer taken this is a difficult case to prove your rights.

Therefor I think the main problem is that it's questionable how much rights you can have on a specific clanname, especially when it's no longer in use. Teeworlds has never officially supported clans. Strictly spoken people just started writing certain letter combo's in front of their name to show they formed an alliance. Certain clans got very professional, contributed a lot to the community and did develop a very good reputation. But it still remains a letter combination in front of a name. There's no "copyright" whatsoever on it.

To say you own a clanname, even when you no longer use it, goes a bit too far in my opinion. Teeworlds allows you to take any name you want, and to name your server anything you want. There's no serious clan scene like many other games do have, it are just groups of friends, playing together because they feel connected in on way or another. Peoples (clan)names can change dozens of times, but couldn't possibly hold on to the ownership of all these names. To say that people shouldn't impersonate your current clanname is perfectly just, things would turn into chaos if this wouldn't be a fact. But once you drop a certain "letter combo" it's free to the public.

As long as these people don't actively try to dishonor the reputation the previous clan had, there isn't much to complain about. Sure, they might not do as much as the old clan did, but the community knows that you moved on with your new name, and will discover by themselves that the old clan might not be exactly the same as the new clan. Your reputation will stay the same, because it moved together with you to the new clanname.

My advice is to friendly discuss this matter with the persons in question in game. If they are willing to conform to your suggestions then the problem might get solved. If they disagree though you better restore the reputation of the old clan by proving this with your new clan. You decided to change your clanname, just show the community that the people behind it didn't. Sure your old name might not live up to the reputation you once had, but then again, how much reputation could non-existent clan still have in a few months? At least in this way your name will stay alive and possible contribute something good in the future.

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I agree with you, but I'm not here only for our reputation, but because eQuiD still esists as a multigaming clan.
http://egquid.egamers.it/

I know that this problem in teeworlds exists and will continue existing (until in a next version will be implemented the registraton). We have had also many problems of tag stoling in the past, but this is different, because, like you said, they are using our old tag in their protected servers.
I've spoker to eQuiD multigaming italian clan admin and they have delegated me to resolve this problem.
So I'm here to friendly discuss this matter with the persons in question, but in game is not possible.

Tnx for the smart and wise suggestion wink

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EDIT: I've spoker ingame (in the password protected server) with Milan17 & some others eQuiD members. Now they will change tag... ^^

I suggest to this new clan to present in the Clans topic wink they are pro ingame big_smile

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thx for this compliment

our new clan name is [CQ] i hope too see you

sry for my bad english grammmer.I hope you can unterstand me smile