[MOD] War3 by rajh (Page 6 of 9)

I second Landil's view. The elf is the fragile race. Good undead heal the poison damage with vampiric touch, human should blink out of the weapon range, orcs could kill elves with 2 aimed shots and tauren aren't intended to kill. So I think a good team buildup will still overcome simple undead/elves-only  teams.

I still like the Idea of a hunter/scout ^^

Just some skills (i know rajh will never make it but i post for fun):

1. Tee runs 10 - 20 - 30 - 40% or 15 - 30 - 45 - 60% faster.
2. Tee has a 10 - 20 - 30 - 40% chance to dodge any damage.
3. For some seconds the Tee can jump in the air up to 3 times.

As i said - just for fun

... Those are definately no fun. it ruins the physics of teeworlds like the tennis "ball" mod and the basketball "ball" mod  which features faster running. definately not fun.

dodging requires NO skill

neither does jumping

sorry i was so harsh but ... ya. its my opinion [yes i know you said they were just for fun]

Anyways,, i already made a hunter class that was turned down [In fact, i made like 7 races on page 3  and they were all turned down] In case u wanted to know, i wanted a class that requires skill, not races that have skills to help you so ya.

here it is [in case you were curious]:

/1 so this would be like
lvl1-Respawn with shotgun
lvl2-Respawn with grenade launcher
lvl3-Respawn with laser
lvl4-I dunno make up something [i.e.] +1 damage or respawn with shields but no +defense like humans or
       maybe SLOW ammo regeneration for the current gun or whatever [ask me i probably have more ideas]

/2
lvl1-Show own flag carrier inaccurately [count by 1's like your ball mod]
lvl2-Show own flag carrier accurately [count by 10's 20's 50's etc. like your ball mod]

lvl3-Show enemy inaccurately carrier [count by 10's 20's 50's etc. like your ball mod]
      Or show own team's flag carrier accurately [count by 1's like your ball mod]
lvl4-Show enemy or own team's flag carrier accurately [count by 1's like your ball mod]

/3-Special Ability
Katana for 5-10s? + 30s reload time

Oh? I thought there was no more races being accepted. im offended, not even considering my suggestions [on page 3]

Did I miss something or Sleight of Hands is Reload (orc ability) ?

I don't see the need of changing elves. As some people allready said, they allready have their role, and it's offensive support. They can harass opponents to keep them at distance, or to weaken them. They can also attack to deal loads of damage (and thus allowing others to attack), forcing enemies to go heal or die, even if they die in the process.

It's exactly what they do ! Poison + counter is great on offense, Poison + immobilize is great on defense, or to hunt flag carriers.

Face it, elves are too overpowered. Being able to do 8 damage with one gun-shot is too much. Max 4 would be good, or make the elf "choose" when to poison or not (and if he wants, there should be a con).

There's the tauren who can heal the poisoned tees. And if you have a look at the score table you can see that it's very balanced. Orcs/Undeads/Elves on top, humans and tauren not

But I think 6-7 poison damage are enuf. make it like 1/2/4/6 damage, but one should not forget, that there's a healer class, which heals 1hp and 1armor per second!!!11one

I don't think elves are overpowered. Sure, they can do up to 8 additional damage through poison, but this damage doesn't take effect immediatly. Also you won't get poison damage for every hit, but only for the last. If yo're hit 3 times with the pistol, you won't get 27 damage but 11. And it even takes 8 seconds till this damage takes full effect. That is more than enough time to collect hearts or armor so that you won't die.

Quite the contrary, I think the elves are the race who are the first to die (maybe besides tauren). Humans have more armor and are very hard to kill. Undead can heal through vampiric damage, and orcs can deal high damage, thus killing their enemy before they are killed.

I think the main reason for everyone to hate them is because they can kill you even after you killed them. Many players can't accept that they defeat an elf but are killed nonetheless. Or so weak that the next opponent kills them easily.
But that is exactly the point of the elves. They don't deal massive damage like orcs or can take massive damage like humans. Like Landil said, they are a support race who weaken the enemy so that their teammates can take/defend the flag successfully.

thank you for understanding. i would like to see the max of 5 ticks.
8 ticks is brutal as there arnt really that many 8 packs of shields and hearts. elves can just stand somewhere, spam the pistol so someone can be hit by it. its just not that fair.

baisically only some people who go to the forums use the tauren skillfully and good. and a tauren is usually not there

orcs/undeads/elves are only on top because of their killing ability. im not disagreeng with yoou but humans are taurens are on the bottom because they are more defensice and basically have nothing

oh ya in my opinion. taurens are barely used. usually in a war3 server, i never see a tauren playing. and if they are, i never see them and they never heal me. in my opinion taurens are a failure [sry. that was a bit harsh]

i know rajh will say taurens are for the team to win but face it, when you have nothing, the game is a bit boring when all your doing is helping people [winning is almost the only thing that is good]

noone wants to play a boring race.

ohyea maybe elves should have slower ticks [damage] or have less [5]

THAT is the best idea ive ever heard. it gives more incentive to kill the elf who is poisining you rather than run to the nearest heart or shield stop.

dont mess with teeworlds physics. it will always end horribly

sometimes you do not want to jumps so high and you are stuck in the air while ppl shoot you down.

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I have an idea. i got it from the [RPG] mod. RAJH maybe you should have a tee get more experiance when it is on a killing spree. then it would give the player a motive to stay alive [rather than run in with grenades, get your experiance, and die]

EDIT:sry if im taking alot of room in this topic. i love giving out ideas and opinions

Come on, even the developers think that elfs are to strong

I would have said exactly the same

The elves are not that strong. Orcs do more damage. The point is, elves damage you even when they don't hit you(mirror/poison). In exchange they die rather fast.

About the tauren being pretty useless: I have thought about that to.
They don't have extra damage, and they don't have extra defense, besides their invincibility. (I don't know how often you can use it, I think it hardly counts as defence)

I have thought about some ideas to make the tauren more attractive to players:
- Self-Heal:
   maybe 1 heart per second(would cancel poison)
-poison immunity
-poison heal:
   healed player doesn't get further poison damage
-damage enhance:
   maybe parallel with heal - 2 points in heal give one extra damage. So a tauren with full heal could deal 3 damage with  a pistol bullet
-ammo regeneration:
   ammo regenerates, so you won't be out of ammo in the middle of a fight. Maybe only for the weapon in use. Regenerate rate should be lower than the cooldown of the weapon, so that you can still shoot once you have shot all ammo, but slower than with ammo.

@ hooker:
he will have 6 hearts left
But you're right. War3 is a team game. Every race has its place. An elf may kill you with his poison, but he himself is killed fast too. If you want to live long, you can play human. If you want to kill elves, play undead

Fantasy is even worse :-P