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Hmm maybe I didn't check on an experienced undead...
@Lappi
Is it really a feature ? é_è
I though it was a fix, but maybe I didn't guess right ? (something like a kamikaze explosion triggers another kamikaze explosion which ends up in a server crash ?)
@Oopah well it first it was that ^^ but now I can fix it but I prefer to let it like that, it's adding some tactic.
Edit: Ouch btw i need feedback about laser heal for tauren
The laser heal is like woah. Finally the tauren has some use. 
But I think three ways of healing might be a little bit too much, considering that laser does instant heal and gun over time. I understand that it could be useful for a neverending supply of heal in the shape of the launcher, but is it really necessary? Or, well. If elf can do 8 dmg with 1 gunshot, it's probably nothing to whine about.
Awesome mod.
I have added article about this mod on the czech TeeWorlds fansite. Link to google translator with that article: Click me.
Note: translator is stupid idiot, it cant translate some words and it translate wrong somewhere 
Note 2: You can use the logo, its not good but if you will want....
Ummm...
Rajh since u wont add any more race, will u add more abilitys or just leave everything like it is forever?
Though its still an awesome mod
Oh, and the laser heal is awesome but most of the tauren (noobs who dont know it is a healer and block the spot) dont know about ANY way to heal XD
I`m never done explaining how to heal ppl
Ummm...
Rajh since u wont add any more race, will u add more abilitys or just leave everything like it is forever?Though its still an awesome mod
..... Give it up. i wanted to make a new race too but its his mod and he wont add anything no matter how many ideas you have ... (not even my tee ideas)
Great news
..... Give it up. i wanted to make a new race too but its his mod and he wont add anything no matter how many ideas you have ... (not even my tee ideas)
Well maybe no whole Race but new abilitys for HIS races XD
I`m a bit exited whats about to change in 2.0
I played war MOD since 1 or 2 weeks now and i found some stuff that I didnt rly like because it seems unbalanced.
Humans are kind of immune to elf special (port away) and kind of immun to undead special (with some armor they r still alife).
Undeads fight basically without armor since vampiryc should heal them. Every orc 1 hits them with grenade launcher.
Elf poison is unfair and stupid. Maybe there should be a % to poison or the ticks should be decreased.
Well thats quiet everything i think.
I don't agree, and moreover I think balance of the mod improved since 2.0. I especially like the fact that you have to specialize, thus a race is not always stronger than an other one, it depends on the abilities chosen also.
Humans are hard to kill, okay, but that's all what they can do, they have trouble killing any other race. And among all races, elves are the mightiest opponets : poison and counter easily bypass human armor (since it's 1 hit a time, it's not reduced by armor). And human special is just as powerfull as elf one, they counter each other (if human don't keep his teleport to escape elf's special, he will get stuck).
Undead have best quick damage potential (taser and kamikaze) just after orc, plus the ability to end the fight with full health. Orc 60% damage is indeed their nemesis, but they can still win, and are very good against other races. A vampiric undead will win against a poison elf for example.
@Magic Merlin: Here a short summary of what you said: The mod sux.
well you mentioned nearly every race is unbalaced cuz of there abilities but the abilities and races are the sense of this mod. Some races got an advantage against other races but other races will just pwn you 
So if you dont like it dont play it
Just a quick answer:
elf is imho slightly overpowered. The elves have the best combination of skills : stun is very mighty, as it helps if you want to flee AND in a normal fight. Poison with 8 ticks is really really mean. One pistol shot = 9 dmg O_o and thx to mirror damage, the shot-gun is nearly useless vs. elves.
It seems that mole ability is broken. Even at max level, it seems human spawn very rarely in enemy camp. Bad luck or ... ?
@ Sushi Tee
I didnt say that the mode sux.
I rly like playing it but just this things I noticed and i didnt like.
And that with the balance - as Landil said elfs ARE overpowerd and its the thing i hate/dont like most.
Well that with orc and undeads is probably ok becuz it is like it is. But i just thought that it isnt very balanced for Human to be good against BOTH defence race.
But hey, I rly like the Mod.
Also that with the human mole thing. I maxed mole some time just to c if i can spawn in enemy base.
In fact some games i just played with human to make sure mole works. Up to now i spawned 1 time ever in Enemy base
@ Oopah
I already specialiced on a race XD
I`m just playing with undeads because they r best def (kill flag man with kamikaze and drop flag down to nowhere)
Also they r the only ones with vampirik to kill elfs in a long fight and heal themselfs.
And they can quickstart without any weapon because of taser and vampiric (armor and weapon)
The fact is elves usually doesn't kill before they die. For weakening enemies they're just perfect (or duel that lasts), and helping killing flag carrier. But they don't have immediate damage potential. On offense, their poisons and counter damage won't help them staying alive, but they will damage defensers a lot. On defense, only immobilize is truely usefull, poison will help killing, but not as fast as an orc or an undead can do. My point of view is that they're just annoying, but really good at that , so not so overpowered.
If you want to kill a human as undead, just play shotgun, you taser + shotgun (which is not reducted by armor) a couple of time, then explode and human is dead, it's not that hard. In fact most of the time, when a taser undead hook you, you're dead, it's just a little slower for humans. For that reason, and what you said, I think undeads are allready good, not need to make them stronger in any way (or humans weakers, they allready got weakened in 2.0).
For human mole, I too tried it in several games, before reporting it as potentially broken.
For human mole, I too tried it in several games, before reporting it as potentially broken.
rajh says, that the mole chance works as it is supposed to, but if you have a look at the tauren resurrection, which has 60%, too, we see that there is something wrong.
@ Oopah
Its not that i couldnt kill and human with flag in a normal fight, in fact it wouldnt be a problem but Humans just stay alive pretty long (because of the armor) giving them enough time to get new health and teleport to some space where u cant follow them quickly or they r deffed by serveral team members (Elfs?)
@ Oopah
Its not that i couldnt kill and human with flag in a normal fight, in fact it wouldnt be a problem but Humans just stay alive pretty long (because of the armor) giving them enough time to get new health and teleport to some space where u cant follow them quickly or they r deffed by serveral team members (Elfs?)
that's their purpose: Ah-ah-ah-ah staying alive, staying alive, ah-ah-ah-ah- staying aliiiiiiiiiihihihiiiiiiiive.
At ctf5 you can follow every human with good rocket-jump-skills and hook-skills, so that's not the point. And 60% more armor are nice, but if you hit 'em with the shotgun it will hurt 'em just as normal.
It's all about tactics.
At ctf5 you can follow every human with good rocket-jump-skills and hook-skills
Well in the flag base i can follow them but they teleport up in the middle (left and right) and some ppl may manage to rocket jump up there but i wont...
And also i didnt think of the shotgun ^^
Thx for the idea.
What exactly changed with poison in 2.0?
lol i tried out the new war mod and 8 ticks is brutal.
EDIT: same with skilled undeads - the rocket jump striaght at you and hook and shoot soo fast i cant even react. half the time i die from them and noone else
I understand that this discussion probably ended days or even weeks earlier, but I just gotta get this out there.
My only opinion about the balance is that elf is the only race without a logical place in a team. It does 8dmg with 1 gunshot, it has mirror dmg and it can freeze ppl. It's too weak to be able to hold the flag, it does a large amount of dmg due to poison, but not quick enough. It can't stay alive long enough to break through defense or disrupt an attack. If there was any race I'd like to remake and give a new face, it'd be the elf. Remove that horrific poison all together, and put something in that will increase movement for the race.
Damage should be the orc's domain. Undead have their heal and alternative way to do dmg. Humans are ultimate flag carriers with their def and teleport. Tauren are healers and elf.. Right now elf do high dmg, immobilizes single targets and throws dmg back at the attacker. I think elf instead would fit nice as an agile, versatile scout able to hunt carriers, defend when needed and help with attacking, trying to do as many hit-n-runs as possible.
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