DDraceNetwork on Steam (Page 1 of 2)

Not sure why you keep vanilla compability then.

I think new players should discover DDNet by playing teeworlds, just be patient until they find it.

I don't play DD, but I think DD should take over the official TW. I don't know if having both TW and DD is good or bad, but it's worth a try.

1. By far, DD has the most players and TW is dominated by DD.
2. Much healthier activity and new content on DD forums compared to the official one.
3. DD client does vanilla better than the vanilla client.
4. DD client has better optimization and fixes (still needs work--that's how bad the vanilla client is).
5. Actually has cash flow with weekly tournaments and is the only community, out of unlimited possible amount of mods. And for 2015, all of donation goals are already met for hosting servers, meaning it can easily be expanded and grow.
6. So much more dev activity.

So it has a secure player base, healthier activity from devs to the community, and offers more (not all) features/fixes/optimizations some of which are sorely needed. If anything, it's the vanilla client that should be a mod or a side project to the DD.

It's not there instead of the official client, it's proposed as completely separated from the official client.

divide and conquer...
Xush mentioned it already and i can only support his statement. The mod will be found by playing TW, there is no need to push this too. The right choice would be to support the devs now to improve TW as far as it can go. DDnet would flourish with it too. don't you think?

It still relies on Teeworlds masterservers though afaik

For all those of you, who don't get why DDNet should be released on Steam too
Teeworlds player base greatly increased when it got released there. But DDRaceNetwork playerbase didn't:
http://ddnet.tw/stats/

I wish the people could notice the modded servers, but it seems that it's a nontrivial task for many of them to notice and uncheck those 2 filters. Just the same way as "extracting a zip file is a non-trivial task for many people", which was a valid point when we discussed Teeworlds release on Steam.

You also have to remember that Steam players have tons of games and they are not so much into launching Teeworlds and spending a few minutes configuring it and checking all menus. They are used to launching a game and just playing, so it's very likely that they may never find out about mods, which would be really bad (personally, I would like to see some kind of big button pointing to mods servers which would also separate them more).

And moreover, tons of DDNet players (which were the vast majority of Teeworlds players at the time) helped the original game to get on Steam, so please help us too. ^^

In such case, allowing DDNet to get on Steam and go its way is the simplest way to do it. I would add that vanilla client mod-button too, though.

About why we haven't submitted it before - I'm not sure, but deen probably didn't want to steal players, as the Teeworlds release on Steam was important for the vanilla revival to take place.

Fifi, that's an interesting idea you've got there. Instead of the "Internet" tab, there could be a "vanilla" and "mods" tab. Or within the Internet tab, just seperate it into two halves.
That would seperate vanilla better from mods while also making the existence of mods a bit more obvious.

Loving TW since 2010

Oh really? Nice. Was a while since I last looked into the trunk version.
I just did a mock-up which I wanted to post here. Doin' it anyway.

Loving TW since 2010

Have you seen new players in CTF5?
For most of the new players getting around CTF5 is even hard.
Also, some maps have freeze tiles in the beginning, new players don't know how to suicide and will just disconnect (or spectate-rejoin and thus lose his motivation really quickly, takes too long for nothing).

This is because you are there personally helping them, they are friends of you.
I bet a lot of new players will give up very fast, nobody is there to motivate them to complete it.

DDRace is just a slightly too steep learning curve, especially when playing alone for the first time.
If you have friends with you, sure, start learning teeworlds on DDRace, it'll be somewhat hard but it'll be doable.

I hope the tutorials will be implemented in the client (running a local server with a special map, and since DDClient is capable of having sounds in the map,you could possibly use those for commentating/narrating/explaining). If done correctly and easy to understand, it will definatly help out a lot.

I've tried to play DDRace server with the official DDRace Android client, for like 5 times already. So I reach that black ninja tile, and weapons don't work, moving doesn't work, rope doesn't work, I'm totally stuck, I cannot even suicide. How the hell can people enjoy DDrace? Are they know each level and all black tiles by heart ? Some levels have you literally surrounded with that, with only one small hole at the top.