Grenadelauncher overpowered? (Page 2 of 3)

Not so insane when you died by his hammer which deals 6 damange before you have put out another grenade.
You are rather looking at the advantages and forget about the disadvantages. Having to pick up a grenade is a disadvantage too by the way and you can balance around that by placing good pickups. Grenade spam is super useless against good players and I have so often seen someone waste all his grenades to just die because they have nothing left. If you want to nerf something think about Laser first and then we can talk about other weapons.

Besides that I think you can trust the pro community as they can judge these things way better and have way more experience. Magnet, Jambi(he made his 2000th funwar for EVIL yesterday gz) and BeaR are easily in top10 of active players in terms of skill and vanilla experience. As next Teeworlds version will be out in 10 years it does not seem to matter anyway though.

Okay then, why not have high-level CTF games in different maps and collect how much damage total has been done by each weapon? Minimum sample of 30 games, see how much damage is done by the shotgun, grenade, and laser weapons.

My conjecture is that the collected data will show the most damage dealt by grenades, simply because it's powerful and people prefer it for all-purpose except for extreme short and long ranges. The preference here wouldn't be used for the argument of grenade being overpowered because it deals 6 damage and has long range, but rather people see its mechanics as fitting. Further, there's splash damage.

Of course, the obvious exclusions are hammer and pistol. Perhaps these two can be compared to each other.

Potential problem is that there isn't much of a control for weapon spawns and distance from player spawns to weapon spawns. Of course, this can be much more rigorous.

In case you don't feel like making an account, statistics show the majority of kills coming from grenades with the exception of games on ctf3 on which the shotgun sometimes has a higher amount. On some maps such as ctf1 grenades account for over 50% of all players' kills.

Anyway, what's the idea with "balancing" weapons? It's not like you pick a class at the beginning of the game and stick with it.

It makes just as much sense as removing straight blocks in Tetris because they are imba.

Ugh... That has happened to me so much that it gives me a stomach ache to think about it...

Well ctf5 is flawed and that is why you normally don't see it played on high level. Ctf5 is rather a funmap for me and that is what most people probably like. I think we tried in once because we were 16 people and it was okay. If all players know what they do there is not as big of a problem as in a pub game where you try to chase him while your teammates let him through and do other random things. Grenade launcher back is possible on every map and it is okay as he has got the flag already and should be stopped by people in the mid/their base.

In my opinion the mid/high level vanilla scene is pretty active at the moment. I saw more ctf2 games than last year in just this month. Well unfortunately I think you still won't see a pure high level ctf2 game for a long time. Maybe if the League of Legends servers go down again.

In my opinion straight to main topic - grenade is a little bit stronger than other weapons and should probably be fixed.
That could be simply done by either of these options:
- lowering the max damage by 1 heart (resulting in max 5dmg instead of 6dmg)
- or making the duration between shots longer

Easy to dodge, yeah that's a disadvantage, but a great advantage is that you can shoot it from a cover and a great range (as your shots curve and fall down).

Well, I was talking about the default values and default weapon physics for the servers and of course I know you can tune the weapons to your own appeal...

I think this is my last post I'm going to write here, because I came here to suggest, not to argue.
Please have a nice day! (:

Would be interesting to see it in action though I think it would need changes for other weapons as well. Maybe someone who can do it is interested in making a mod just to test it. BEAR PLEASE

Here some assumptions:

Shotgun: It can pretty easily defy grenade spam but it would make shotgun even stronger and Teeworlds would lose the depth of Grenade as zoning tool. --> Interesting but I do not really like shotgun to be even stronger.

Pistol: It would be stronger way beyond the power it should have as a default weapon. You can easily kill grenades making it nearly useless. --> Probably too strong for a default weapon.

Grenade: Well it's demise can also be useful as you try to use it to block damage which would be especially good for Laser or if you run away as attacker blocking some pistol spam. --> Interesting as well for me.

Laser: NERF IT'S ARMOR PEN. SERIOUSLY.

Hammer: ???

Conclusion:  I think attackers would have too easy of a time as they can prevent the zoning from grenade on the way to flag while blocking damage on the way to capture it.

Some other topic:
Why is ninja the worst balanced weapon ever? You could tune down it's damage shorten it's range and give it some charges and make it switchable. Would be a super neat offensive tool which fills a unfilled role and give attackers a little bit to come through the grenade spam without having to buff/nerf the other weapons. It really seems like it could be some nice playmaking weapon that is practically there but either useless(so easily kiteable) or op(too much damage and movement) and therefore disabled at pro scene.

Try to hunt someone down only with grenades in ctf5 and see if it'll work.

Newbies play mostly with the grenade launcher because they don't know how to hook and use the other weapons properly (heck, not even the grenade) and so they just spam missiles and get lucky sometimes.