Grenadelauncher overpowered? (Page 1 of 3)

I think it is slightly overpowered, too.

But when you look at maps like ctf5 you can shoot one down a corridor so it goes through the middle, meaning you can be pretty certain any enemy coming through there will be hit especially if you are aiming down at an angle.

and the hammer is extremely under-powered. the game doesn't use balanced weapons

Being a very active Instagib player, I dont have that much game experience with the classic teeworlds.
But I think that every weapon is balanced, especially in the competitive szene.

For instance, the grenadelauncher is very good for def, the lazer does very well in the mid of a map, and the shotgun makes most sens if you are very close to your enemy.

And like Magnet said, the grenadelauncher is a very slow weapon, that means you can dodge a shot easily. If someone sprays at ctf5 down to the bottom, you can shutdown him by going the other way around

But honestly the hammer is useless.
Compared to the gun I don't use it very often and if i do, rarely with success.

No, it is not. The game is pretty balanced. In my opinion the Laser should not take health before armor is down because it is way too easy to hit for that bonus effect.

Okay, so then what would be the solution?

Reduce max grenade damage by 1?

Reduce its travel distance/longevity?

I won't say it's overpowered, but I would say that it's the strongest weapon.

+1

Shotgun could be tuned down as well. Maybe slightly shorter range as you can use it for some free hits at the moment or maybe only 4 bullets but that would need some testing.
Would be pretty interesting to see it's effects on deffing.

All of laser, grenade launcher and hammer have armor penetration. In fact, if you ever get more than one damage at once, one heart will be removed.

In my opinion, as others have said, on a high level of play, none of the weapons are really overpowered or underpowered, you just need to know when to use them, like in any other shooter.

The maps certainly affect weapon usefulness though.

When you have lots of health and armor, and you are in a tight spot, hammer is good.

When you are being chased, grenade is best. You can also lob grenades in holes from above.

Shotgun is good for defending a position, (the flag?) and also for use in tight spots.

Laser is good for about everything, does a lot of damage, but is hard to hit with and has a large reload time. Not really good for anything clogged up, as it reloads too slow to kill groups with, and you can't kill more one tee at a time with it, like most weapons, (not grenade) but most weapons reload quicker.

The pistol is a backup weapon for when "that" enemy just won't die from your other weapons, so you use this because the other weapon's ammo is out.

My rating of the weapons. Laser 4.2 Shotgun 4 Grenade 4.1 Pistol 3.2 Hammer 3.9

That's just my opinion of how useful the weapons are, and I'm sure someone else thinks otherwise. 

In ctf matches, the Grenade and Laser are good for the runner, and Shotgun and Grenade are good for the camper. (Offensive and Defensive respectively.)

I have been saying for years the grenade is overpowered. Anyway, I really like the suggestion by the OP to be able to destroy grenades by hitting them with something. That would still retain the height advantage of the weapon but might diminish the absurd close range strength. I also recommend lengthening the delay between grenades being launched, and/or to create a larger amount of peripheral damage so as to also diminish the strength of the grenade in close range. It is not meant for close combat but is obviously abused because the damage to the attacking tee is less than the damage to the tee being attacked even if the two tees are literally right next to each other when the grenade explodes. That is absurd.